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I purchased a green MHD from lll reptile at last weekend's expo - I currently have an older male MHD, brown, that Ive had for a while now. I was wondering if they will get along alright, and what the difference really is between the two, whether its a species difference or simply color -

I can't answer that without seeing the animals myself. You can look at my species itentification sheet and see what species you have. If both are A. capra then I would say that the new one is probably still showing young colors and will turn brown as it becomes fully mature.

If you have A. armata or A. lepidogaster then it is possible that it will always be green. It this is the case I would watch to see if they get along or not. Sometimes you will see some intimidation but other times they will be fine together. You just have to abserve and see.

First I would allow a quarantine period to make sure you aren't bringing parasites in to your old MHD.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

The pictures are taken with a really crappy digital cam, so they arent very sharp, but I did the best I could. Tell me what you think!

Can't tell much from the photo unfortunately other than the green one is a beautiful A. capra. It looks like maybe the tail and back legs on the brown one are getting ready to shed from the pale coloring.

Too bad that one wasn't toward the front of the viv!
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

So if he is A. Capra does this mean he will lose most of his color as he ages?
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2 Mountain Horned Dragons, 2 Green Plumed Basilisks, 1 Albino Corn Snake, 1 Normal Corn snake, 1 Sumatran Red Blood Python, 1 Chinese Water Dragon, 1 Mexican Black Kingsnake,

I guess that depends on the species. It also depends some on the animal.

If he/she is A. capra the color will be predominatly brown as an adult but the males sometimes show a lot of yellow accents especially when really relaxed or when sleeping. Color can also depend on environment as they tent to blend into their surroundings.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

I doubt that it is capra.
In recent times a new species seems to be imported here and then. So far no one is able to ID these animals. Maybe really new.
here ist the album of an owner:

http://www.foto.fm/albums/detailalbum.html?album=5016

Ci@o

Ingo

Ingo, So, it looks like he has more than one of these, is that correct? And they look more like capra than anything else, in fact they look a lot like my F2 capra at about 18 months if you were to have never put horns on them! Amazing!

So, they are Acanthosaura?
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

We are not sure.

Having no clue, I suggested to call them Gonocephalus acanthosauroides and got the reply that Acanthosaura gonocephaloides might be better

Lets see what the professional heropetologists will say.

Best regards

Ingo

very interesting! If you hear more on these do keep me posted! I would love to learn more. ; )
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

I think your photo cant be use to accurately identify your lizards. This adult male crucigera was formally identified as a young male capra, however it was imported with 40 others of same size and labelled as crucigera, subsequently it performed mating ritual and try to mount both females.

OK, I need your help here now. Please tell me what destinguishes that from A. capra? I don't see gaps in the nuchal spines, I don't see any round spines, and I don't see a second set of horns. Now I realize this may be just the camera angle. I also don't see the cross. That looks an awful lot like most of my sub-adult F1 and F2 A. capra males right down to the colors and patterns.
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Marcia - FroggieB Dragons
www.froggieb.com/MHDHome.html

Some are basically undistinguishable from young capra males; this is why we can’t assume every photo to be capra. Remember at first I really believed mine was as you said a young capra, on the phone my friend said it’s very rare he gets young wild capras, but to have 30 in a shipment of 40 labelled as crucigeras is next impossible. We got an other shipment today, some capras, some crucigera, some armata, some gonos both chameleon and belli (these for me) and some moluccan hydrosaurus (also for me).

As you already know my next shipment will be lepidogaster, Sophia, kuhli, doria and the illusive harpesaurus beccarii will send you photos when they get here.

Hahahahaha, Harpesaurus beccarii, huh? My dear friend, soeone is likely taking you for a wild ride. There is a reason only the exact same photo cycles around with these guys, they are extremely rare in the wild, and even found more rarely in captivity. In fact, I'm only aware of a few specimens in the early ninties that have been kept.

>>Some are basically undistinguishable from young capra males; this is why we can’t assume every photo to be capra. Remember at first I really believed mine was as you said a young capra, on the phone my friend said it’s very rare he gets young wild capras, but to have 30 in a shipment of 40 labelled as crucigeras is next impossible. We got an other shipment today, some capras, some crucigera, some armata, some gonos both chameleon and belli (these for me) and some moluccan hydrosaurus (also for me).
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>>As you already know my next shipment will be lepidogaster, Sophia, kuhli, doria and the illusive harpesaurus beccarii will send you photos when they get here.
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
www.IntenseHerp.com (Proudly hosted by Fauna Net)

In 25 years of collecting reptiles IV been deceived a few times, this is why I only deal with the best now. Thanks for your concern.

Oh forgot to mention, the last time my friend offered some was 5 years ago!
Should be easy for anyone with some contacts to track these down.
Try a few dealers in Jakarta

If you were able to get them, I would pay a good price for at least a pair. Surprize me.

>>Oh forgot to mention, the last time my friend offered some was 5 years ago!
>>Should be easy for anyone with some contacts to track these down.
>>Try a few dealers in Jakarta
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Justyn Miller
Intense Herpetoculture
www.IntenseHerp.com (Proudly hosted by Fauna Net)

Keep dreaming!

But seriously if ever I am lucky enough to get some, it will only be a few specimens (keepers) however sins I am financing this expedition, I do stand a very good chance to get them.
Rgds

I recently bought some small brown lizards with green mottling on their backs. They look like juvenile bearded dragons, but I was told that it was a mountain horned lizard. I looked at the pictures of your lizards and there is no resemblence. I also can't find any pictures on the internet that look similar. He seems to like the tree in his enclosure. He tends to spend most of his time in it. Also he only drinks when I mist the cage.

Pictures can be found here. They were taken with a crappy Wal-Mart brand digital camera!
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oooh...can´t you ask someone with a better camera to take a pic.

To me it looks like Japalura polygonata...but far from being sure from seeing just such pics.

Ci@o

Ingo

Hey, the pics (even though they are really bad) remind of green calotes..... the last batch i had were all brown but they had the same pattern on thier back. maybe look at pics of calotes and compare?

No, I looked and it's neither of those lizards. It's a new import, I don't even think the guy I bought it from knows what the hell it is. It's from Asia, that's all he knows apparently.
I'm going to try to record it with my video camera and snap a screenshot from the video, but I'll wait a couple days so I don't stress him out.

Are you sure?
There are very few Pics of Japalura polygonata online, which do in fact show this lizard.
Mostly, Japalura splendida is depicted!

Ci@o

Ingo

Looks like it. Thank's man! Should it be kept in the same manner as MHD's? It's on Cypress Mulch and coconut mix, with bark on the back wall of the glass and a large bushy plant in the middle. Heating pad, and low wat basking light are also provided. I have not seen this lizard drink from his water bowl so I mist him twice daily to be safe. The ones we have at the store are being kept in a rivertank set up.
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So you think splendida...hm, from the pic I am still not convinced. To me it looks like a differten Japalura.
Anyhow, J. splendida needs a montane forest setup with running water and a very pronounced temp drop at night.
If kept to warm, they normally do not survive long, even though seemingly thriving in the beginning.
If there is no runnign water, theyalso often decline rapidly.

Hope that helps

Ingo

It's not splendida. That species has 2 lines down the back, as to where mine has more of a diamond pattern. It doesn't matter for now. I was keeping him in a 55 split in the middle. I had my med. sized blackthroat on the other side and today when I got home the monitor destroyed the barrier and ate him. I'll get another one from work when I get my 135 gallon for my monitor. THAT PISSES ME OFF SO BAD! I made sure that the plexiglass divider was top to bottom and sealed off, somehow he got through. I swear that thing will eat anything. Anyways, I can't find any pictures of my lizard, but splendida was the closest except for the dorsal pattern.

-Richard

Hmmm sad..

What about my first guess: J. polygonata?
BTW: Some splendida females do have diemanod like paaterns ion the back.

Ci@o

Ingo

I got some better pictures before it got eaten.... Here's the link, theres also some of my gopher snake. I'm going to get a sex breeding trio as soon as I get a tank for it.
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