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Couple Questions For the Pros..

Grunngg Mar 19, 2006 07:44 PM

I want to start making my cages look really nice and I had some questions I needed answered first.

What exactly does a false bottom do? Is it only for drainage? I've seen tanks with filter balls with mesh over that, then soil and moss. Why do the filter balls seem so popular? Wouldnt large gravel be cheaper and easier?

I've gone to some shows and saw a few vendors selling those ExoTerra tanks all decked out with the false bottom, mosses, plants, vines, ect. I talked to a vendor about those and asked about how to clean them. I was told tanks with live plants take care of themselves, and I would just need to wipe down the walls. It this accurate? I'm sure a spot cleaning would still be necessary, but that would be great if I could add plants to cancel out the need of an entire tank breakdown.

How do I got about using plants I find outside? Like ferns from the woods. I know I have to make sure it's not fertilized. Do you suggest I use a pesticide spray before adding it to a cage?

Besides ultrasonic foggers and constant mistings, whats another good way to raise humidity in tanks?

I appreciate you guys' help. Thanks alot.
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Replies (7)

bighurt Mar 19, 2006 08:51 PM

I am hardly a professional but hought to give it a shot, another recommendation is to post this question on the Dart and Mantella forum. They all deal with vivarium's and can give more practicle insight.

>>What exactly does a false bottom do?

A false bottom gives the tank and area for extra storgage of water. Weather it be for a water element or for drainage. Often without o false bottom the plant roots become lodged wth water creating rot. Your soil needs to be able to dry out if even for a little bit.

>>Is it only for drainage?

No water elements such as water falls rivers even some mist system's need a place for a filter and water. Often it is easier to do that within the tank rather than outside. Remember that the more water in the system the more resilient to change. With any water in a tank will also need to be changed on a frequent basis.

>>I've seen tanks with filter balls with mesh over that, then soil and moss. Why do the filter balls seem so popular?

Filter balls or Bio Filtration Media, are often cheap you can buy them in cubic feet or gallons. They are also extremly lighter than gravel or even some of the clay pellets some compaines sell now. Another advantage is that these balls are highly faceted creating tons of surface area for active bacteria that will thrive in your water supply. They help filter the water and exist without interferance, so we all live with them. They do a good job as well!

>>Wouldnt large gravel be cheaper and easier?

It might be but it scertainly isn't lighter! I would do a price check on the Bio Balls.

>>and I would just need to wipe down the walls. It this accurate?

To certain point yes you will not have to do soil changes in a well set up tank. The plants and bacteria will break down fecal matter and the tank will cycle everything as in nature.

However this is not a perfect system. Like I said the water will have to be changed frequently and will last longer if filtered. Also many soils will loss nutrients you can not possible replace so soil changes will also need to be accomplished. This however can be done every couple of years. Also some plants will thrive others will fail as it is in nature. This living community will need your involvement to keep things neat and trimmed.

>>I'm sure a spot cleaning would still be necessary, but that would be great if I could add plants to cancel out the need of an entire tank breakdown.

You will so long as you keep everything else neat and tidy. Plants die then are replaced. But the soil will need to be changed every couple years and water every couple weeks. Also some times its good for change. You will know when!

>>How do I got about using plants I find outside?

This I don't recommend at all. The commercially available plants have a great market. There is no sense in saving a few buck for a plant that could contain some pesticide or bacteria that will ruin your colonie not to mention mites or other small creatures.

Walmart caries a variety of tropical plants that are hardy and easily replaceable. Once you get your Green thumb you can move up to harder specimens, available via terrarium suppliers on the web.

>>Besides ultrasonic foggers and constant mistings, whats another good way to raise humidity in tanks?

Any water element will increase humidity like a water fall. The cascading water will create turbulence and oxygenation of the water as well helping your living bio bacteria within the false bottom filter and even the soil.

Welcome to the next Generation of habitats, the vivarium!
Jeremy
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Grunngg Mar 20, 2006 04:37 PM

Thank you for your help.

How would I go about changing the water? Would I just use a piece of aquarium tubing and try to syphon it out?

What should I use for soil? Unfertilized top soil? Right now i'm using BedABeast mainly.

I'm guessing I use an gravel filter for the false bottom.
How do waterfall hook up? I always thought they just needed water added to them and to be plugged in. Does that need to be hooked to the false bottom?

This stuff doesnt sound to hard to start up, but seems like it's gonna be a hassle when it comes down to cleaning. esspecially when its time to change the soil.
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0.1.0 Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Pixie Frog
0.0.1 African Dwarf Frog
0.0.1 Ornate Horned Frog
0.0.1 Firebelly Toad
0.0.1 Firebelly Newt
1.0.0 Fire Salamander
2.0.3 Florida Bark Scorpions
0.0.1 Emperor Scorpion
1.0.0 Flatrock Scorpion
1.2.0 African Giant Millipedes
2.0.0 Madagascar Hissing Cockroaches
0.0.1 Chilean Rosehair Tarantula
1.0.0 Hamster!
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1 Small freshwater aquarium
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Bighurt Mar 20, 2006 08:45 PM

>>How would I go about changing the water? Would I just use a piece of aquarium tubing and try to syphon it out?

That would work. Another option is to build a drain tube into any waterfall/water accent. Then you can just pump the water out with the flip of a valve. But the hose syphon will work great.

>>What should I use for soil? Unfertilized top soil? Right now i'm using BedABeast mainly.

That an open topic I currently don't have a vivarium. So I have no input on soil. I really would post in the dart forum they are a lot of help.

>>I'm guessing I use an gravel filter for the false bottom.
>>How do waterfall hook up? I always thought they just needed water added to them and to be plugged in. Does that need to be hooked to the false bottom?

There are many options most depend on the tank application. Some will operate in as little as a few inches of wate its really dependent on the tank and depth of false bottom.

>>This stuff doesnt sound to hard to start up, but seems like it's gonna be a hassle when it comes down to cleaning. esspecially when its time to change the soil.

No its not hard just particular. One thing wrong and the whole thing is a disaster. I imagine your first set up will not work entirely to your ideas. But wth time you will learn. The soil is easy to chage out if you have small sections of soil vs the whole tank. Some plants will grow fine without soil.
Good Luck
Jeremy
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"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's -Coming Soon-
0.1 Albino RTB -Coming Soon-
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's -Coming Soon-
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse

Randall_Turner Mar 19, 2006 10:05 PM

The bio balls work so well because their surface area makes a perfect ecosystem for the bacteria to thrive and help maintain a proper balance. You can find other types of bio filtration materials (I use to work at an injection mold shop that specialized in making different types of "fillers" for filtration systems, including water towers down to septic systems)

Sorry I have no more helpful input.
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Matt Campbell Mar 20, 2006 11:32 PM

I can't really ad much here - Bighurt's responses were pretty much spot-on. I would however NOT discount using plants you find outside such as ferns. I've used live plants dug up from the forest in vivaria before. The most major challenge is keeping them alive versus issues of introducing pesticides and/or bugs. If you're concerned about bugs I would just get a can of Provent-a-Mite and use that to spray down [lightly] any plants before you put them in the vivarium. The spray will kill any invertebrates so you might want to hold off on feeding any insectivorous herps in the vivarium for at least 10 days to 2 weeks. If you want to create a naturalistic vivarium for native U.S. species than you will probably be better off trying to find local native species of plants. Most houseplants you'll find at garden centers are tropical species.
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Matt Campbell

Big animals, little animals, plants - right down to the sea itself. We need them, not just for their own sake, but because all this has to be here for everybody forever. Only one thing is certain: if we are to preserve our environment and save this priceless wildlife we need much, much more knowledge.
Harry Butler from 'In the Wild With Harry Butler' 1977

bighurt Mar 21, 2006 12:21 AM

Wow, Matt I totally forgot about Provent-a-mite! That stuff works wonders I even use it in my own collection. Didn't even dawn on me to recommend it for this application!
Jeremy
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"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" July 16, 1945 Robert Oppenheimer

1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow RTB's -Coming Soon-
0.1 Albino RTB -Coming Soon-
1.1 Hypomelenistic RTB's
0.2 Pastel Hypo RTB's -Coming Soon-
2.0 Double Het Stripe Albino RTB's
0.1 Suriname RTB
0.1 Anerthrystic RTB
1.0 Ball Python
1.1 Rhinoceros Iguana's
1.0 Green Iguana
1.1 Cream Golden Retrieviers
1.0 Pomeriaian
0.3 Catus Terribilis
0.1 Spouse

Grunngg Mar 22, 2006 06:35 PM

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the help. I'll be picking up the Provent a Mite stuff tomorrow.
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0.1.0 Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Pixie Frog
0.0.1 African Dwarf Frog
0.0.1 Ornate Horned Frog
0.0.1 Firebelly Toad
0.0.1 Firebelly Newt
1.0.0 Fire Salamander
2.0.3 Florida Bark Scorpions
0.0.1 Emperor Scorpion
1.0.0 Flatrock Scorpion
1.2.0 African Giant Millipedes
2.0.0 Madagascar Hissing Cockroaches
0.0.1 Chilean Rosehair Tarantula
1.0.0 Hamster!
1.0.0 Ugly Cat
1 Small freshwater aquarium
Grunngg@yahoo.com

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