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Hello all,

First off I want to thank you all for all the great information in the posts. My hubby and I have 2 corns. 1 maimi phase and 1 albino both bought from breeders. I knew the MP was a male but thanks to you all I now know the alby is a female. Many years ago I had corns also and gave my books to the library when I moved one time. I had forgot how to sex the snakes but thanks to you all I now remembered. Plus to reading all this I now have to get another cage because we are keeping them in the same cage. Which is a 20 gal tank. The babies now are about 26" and eating weanlings. They are almost a year old and still major pigs as you can tell.

I was also reading the housing section here in the corn forum and want to say thanks for the Barrs cage link. I live in TN now and were we are they is not much around as far as good pet shops. At least now I can get better cages than glass tanks. So on to the question. What size cage for adult corn?

Tamara

They say you can use a 20 gallon long per snake.
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1.1 Columbian red tails (Zeus, Athena)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

Tamara,

The general rule of thumb that I use for snake caging is that the enclosure should be two thirds the length of the snake long and one third the length of the snake deep. This is a good minimum. Therefore a 3 foot snake should have a cage at least 2 feet X 1 foot, or the size of a 20 gallon long tank. I like to use larger enclosures for snakes longer than that.

Tim

Third Eye

OOOHHH. I really like the aberrant patterns!
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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

Misty your funny. Now please explain aberrant patterns to me. LOL I am not all that familar to the morphs.

Tamara

Aberrant patterns are any patterns that are not the normal saddles. Say a couple saddles connect, or weave back and forth. I don't know how else to describe it. I look for interesting, unusual hence aberrant patterns in my corns. Hope that explains it. The original pic I was talking about had a few with different patterns. The one in the middle had a kinda half saddle back and forth look to it. Lets see if I can find a pic already uploaded in my collection.......
In the pic with the three babies, the one on top has a connecting skinny saddle, my snow has a zig-zag and the butter has kinda two U shape saddles.

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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

One thing I forgot to mention..........anyone correct me if I am wrong, but aberrant patters can happen in any COLOR morph (excluding pattern morphs like motley and stripes - although stripes vary considerably), and I do not believe aberrant patterns are inheritable.

One question for someone who knows more than me........If you breed two zig-zags together, will you get at least some zig zags?

Also while I am asking.........Is aztec a pattern or a morph? So is it inheritable?
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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

Thank You Misty. Love your babies. Now I am thinking of buying more snakes. LOL Have to wait till we move to our own land first. With luck that will be latter this year then look out. I have some catch up reading to do first.

Tamara

Thanks.
Lol. thats how it always starts. Jimmy(draybar)'s saying is "corns...can't just have one" or something similar. There are so many colors, its just so hard to stop!!!!!!!

"Hello, my name is Misty and I am a Herp addict!"

But hey, at least I have the addiction down to a few types of snakes. I am selling all the snakes that I have that are not milk, corn or king. I am going to a show on april 8-9th, so might have some new corn to show off!!!
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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

I don't think it is 100% inherritable but at the same time I think it can be passed sporadically. I have heard that incubation conditions have a lot to do with pattern. I am no expert though.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

I know temps have to do with patterns on some lizards, but never heard it in snakes!
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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

I've got some zigzag and aztec snakes, and from what I've been researching, with the aztec, sometimes you can get aztec when neither parent exhibits the pattern, and sometimes you can get all normal breeding two aztecs together. It is an inheritable pattern, but no one understands the mechanism as yet.

Zigzag is generally termed so if the snake has at least 80% pattern. Again, it is genetic, but I think the zigzag inherits more like stripe and motley; if both parents have it, the hatchlings should exhibit the pattern.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

Leslie

thanks for the response. Hope someone figures things out. I am not great with genetics and the other person's post made me think.
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**********Misty**********
Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize that you haven't gone to sleep yet.

2.3.0 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.1.0 false water cobras
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

I have used the BARRs 36X12X12 cage for my adults, but they were small adults. The ONE snake that I have now, a wanna be ghost corn, is only 42 inches long and I have just upgraded his cage to the 36X24X12 cage, so now he has TONS of space to roam. But when I had 13 snakes, the adults were in their own 36X12X12 cages and the babies were in the 24X12X12 cages. Each snake had their own cage. I love my BARRs cages, can you tell?
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phflame
kingsnake.com host