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I have a 2000 gram female that has kinks. Should she breed? This is my first post. I want to breed her with a het albino that a friend has. He is 600 grams. They're both the right size, but will breeding her cause a problem. The kinks start 3/4 from the head and continue to the tail. She has no problem eating and passing rats. I would like some help.

Thanks

It is likely she can produce eggs. She may not be the best thing to start an albino project with. You may be opening a can of worms breeding her. It is possible some of her babies could also be kinked, or the babies from her when bred will produce kinks. That would be a long road to end up with kinked albinos I had a big normal with a slight kink from birth. I bred her and she produced 8 eggs. 1 was dead in the egg but didn't look kinked and 2 were kinked very bad. I had to freeze those they would not have made it. All the rest were perfect, could have been a fluke, but I have never produced any other kinked balls. I did not keep this snake and only bred her the one time. Hope this helps. Jon

I came across a similar female a few months ago, and asked myself the same question, "Is the risk of breeding this snake despite its physical condition worth it?" The snake was in the same situation, good eater, very healthy, and a pretty good deal at that. The problem is that you may never know if breeding is going to further hurt the snake or not. You are free to do what you please, but in my opinion, I would say to not take the risk. Again, do as you will, just giving you my 2 cents. Take it easy,

~Johnny

The snake I was looking at had been in an accident, something like she got stepped on by accident, or something to that nature. She was kinked pretty bad too.

I just wanted to clarify what I meant by kinked.

Coldblood, good to see im not the only one browsing at odd hours in the morning...

~Johnny

In that situation I would not worry about producing kinked babies, just if she can pass eggs. Helps to know the full history of the snake. Jon

not to hijack the thread, but in my case, I was visiting some friends that lived about an hour away. We stopped in at a local pet shop, and I saw this girl. The idea crossed my mind, but I wasn't hurting for females, so I decided not to get her. Besides, like you said, it would help to know a history, and they couldn't provide hardly any info at all... Anyways, going to get some sleep now... Take it easy,

~Johnny

P.S. Am I mistaken, or are/were you working with a line of burgundy hypo's? How is that coming? I ask bc a guy I know just got one that he claims to be a hypo burg. Anyways, work is going to come much too soon tomorrow...

Yes I have several unproven burgandy hypos that Ian G. and I hand picked out of a shipment from Africa a few years ago. I currently have a clutch of 8 in the incubator right now from one of the burgandy females x normal. I also have a dbl het caramel albino burgandy that I am breeding to a burgandy female. Last, but not least my spider is breeding a female burgandy. Thanks, Jon

This girl eats very well. She passes rats like a pro. She is gaining alot of weight. The kinks do not prohibit motion. I don't think it's genetic. I don't know the history of this snake, but she's been very gentle and eats great. He takes down anything I give her. From what I'm discovering by emailing a few breeders, this doesn't seem like it will be a problem at all.

Then those guys know better than I do, I was just giving you my experience with a similar situation. Best of luck,

~Johnny

As far as I know, nobody really knows the cause of kinking. My opinion is that it has an environmental cause. So while I would probably breed that female, I would get a little bottle of bird liquid multivitamins (A, C, D3, E, riboflavin, etc.) and add a couple of drops to her food every month. It is a known fact that breeder females, from trout to humans, have greater vitamin needs than nonbreeders. Good luck.

Paul Hollander

Fact is the caramel albinos are consistantly known for kinking problems , in that case I highly doubt it is an "environmental " problem and more likely a genetic inheritable defect.. I have zero caramels here for that reason , until the genetic problem is fixed (outcrossed until it's eliminated) I want nothing to do with that project, I'll stick with the Ghost line instead, a gene with that many problems is about as worthless as an English Bulldog in my book ( those are genetic nightmares in my book as well, American Bulldogs are much less of a headache).. Just my 2 cents, Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles...

My thoughts are ...

Unless it is very clear that the disfiguration is due to an accident - you cannot rule out that it is genetic especially since you dont know her history. If she eats well and her food passes well then there is a good chance eggs would as well - but that puts you in another perdicament....

Genetic kinks don't always present in the first generation - all your eggs might hatch out nice looking babies - but those babies could still produce kinked babies (if it is genetic).

If you raise those babies you may well be starting a kinked albino project - or if you sell them - the responsible thing to do would be to let the buyers know that it's possible that they may be recieving a kink gene.

Tough call .....
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I would NOT breed her. In my opinion it is not worth doing so for many reasons already put forth. Good Luck with her. She sounds lucky to have you taking such good care of her. Find another female for breeding and your situation is far less complicated.

Sincerely, Kyle
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