live bearing colubrids
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jake
my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
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besides garters what are some other
goregrind
Mar 22, 2006 05:57 AM
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FloridaHogs
Mar 22, 2006 08:09 AM
Redbellys are also live bearing, but the young are only 2-4 inches.
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Jenea
1:1 Tricolor Hognose
0:0:2 Florida Redbelly Snakes
0:1 Gulf Coast Box Turtle
1:1 Red-eared Slider
2:0 Cats
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1:0 Spouse
chrish
Mar 22, 2006 08:42 AM
All new world natricines are live-bearing, so for the US that would include -
Gartersnakes (Thamnophis)
Watersnakes (Nerodia)
Brownsnakes/Red-bellied Snakes (Storeria)
Queen/Crayfish snakes (Regina)
Earthsnakes (Virginia)
Swampsnakes (Seminatrix)
Kirtland's Snake (Clonophis)
Lined Snakes (Tropidoclonion)
I believe the Sharptail Snakes (Contia) are also live-bearers.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas
chrish
Mar 22, 2006 08:44 AM
My answer assumes you still recognize the Natricines as part of the family colubridae, which most people don't.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas
rearfang
Mar 22, 2006 09:23 AM
Ok...Here in south Florida we may not be in the center of things, but this is the first I have heard of Natricines not being part of Colubridae.
What is their logic behind this change?
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."
chrish
Mar 22, 2006 12:32 PM
It all depends on how you look at the taxonomic changes that CNAH proposes, but here is their explanation -
http://www.cnah.org/fam_comments.asp?id=50
CNAH (and many others) now recognize 9 families pf North American snakes
Leptotyphlopidae
Colubridae
Natricidae
Xenodontidae
Dipsadidae
Boidae
Crotalidae
Hydrophiidae
Elapidae
You can see the breakdown here - http://www.cnah.org/nameslist.asp?id=6
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas
rearfang
Mar 22, 2006 01:52 PM
Thanks for the link. Looks like their playing "splitters" again.
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."
rearfang
Mar 22, 2006 02:18 PM
I particularly liked the part where they said:
"to group mutually exclusive evoluntionary liniages as families was not a scientific one, but merely a choice made to arange these creatures within a traditional hierarchy..."
So in other words they are just rearranging for the sake convieniance rather than science.
This was so much easier when I was a kid....
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."
