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giantxgiant breeding

geckorex Mar 22, 2006 12:52 PM

ive got a pair of giants double het for blazzing blizzard anyway does a breeding of giant to giaqnt produce all supers or how does it work sorry new to codom traits
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2 golden tree frogs
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0.0? northern 5 lined skink

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fattiesnleos Mar 22, 2006 02:49 PM

i think that is right about the giants but i am not sure about the morphs het part

Mahlon Mar 22, 2006 08:51 PM

Technically what you are describing here is Triple Het X Triple Het.

So what you have is two animals that each have one gene each for three different morphs. Giants are the het version of the Super Giant. So if you breed Giant X Giant you have a 1/4 chance for each egg to be a "Super Giant". The only way you could have all supers in a clutch would be Super Giant X Super Giant. Another possibility would be for all giants in a clutch, you would have to cross a Super Giant X Normal = all regular giants.

More than likely the pair that you have are from a Super Giant X Blazing Blizzard breeding. Now giantism is Co-Dom meaning the het form is visibly different from both the normal and super(homo) forms. Blazing blizzards on the other hand are a double recessive designer leopard gecko (Homo Blizzard and Homo Albino in one animal).

So basically if you breed that pair together you have a 1/4 chance per egg of getting a Super Giant, a 1/4 chance per egg of getting an albino, and a 1/4 chance per egg of getting a Blizzard. In this clutch you have many possibilities as to what will be produced; Giants, Super Giants, Albinos, Het albinos, Blizzards, het blizzards, Blazing Blizzards(albino blizzard) and combinations of the three traits! The gold medal winner that would be the hardest combination to get would be a "Super Giant(homo) Blazing(homo albino) Blizzard (homo)" Should be pretty cool to see once it is eventually produced, a 100 gram Red eyed Leucisitic!

Hope this helps,
Dan

ByRandom Mar 22, 2006 08:52 PM

Giant x Giant should produce (statistically speaking) 50% Giant and 50% Super Giant. As far as the double het, I believe that it's a 1/16 chance of hatching out a Blizzard or an Albino, then a 1/32 chance of hatching out a Blazing Blizzard. Although I'm not 100% sure on that, so it may be more or less.

>>ive got a pair of giants double het for blazzing blizzard anyway does a breeding of giant to giaqnt produce all supers or how does it work sorry new to codom traits
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>>geckorex
>>3.21 leopard geckos
>>2.1.1 crested geckos
>>2.1 bearded dragons
>>?.?.2 western hognose
>>0.2 brooksi
>>0.0?2 grey tree frogs
>>1.?.1 green anole
>>2 golden tree frogs
>>1.2 non-broken cats
>>0.0? northern 5 lined skink
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Mahlon Mar 22, 2006 09:17 PM

Just writing because this info is not correct listed above, I'm not trying to be a turd, just trying to stop misinformation from spreading.

"Giant x Giant should produce (statistically speaking) 50% Giant and 50% Super Giant."

This is wrong, you do not have a 50% chance of producing a Super Giant, you have a 1/4 chance. Think of it as Het. Albino X Het. Albino; you would get 1 normal, 2 hets, and 1 albino. Same thing as with Giant(het) X Giant(het), you would get 1 normal, 2 giants(heterozygous giant), and 1 super giant(homozygous giant).

"As far as the double het, I believe that it's a 1/16 chance of hatching out a Blizzard or an Albino, then a 1/32 chance of hatching out a Blazing Blizzard. Although I'm not 100% sure on that, so it may be more or less. "

This as well is incorrect, if you breed Double Hets together, you have a 1/16 chance per egg of producing a double homozygous animal(aka Blazing Blizzard). As for producing a Super Giant Blazing Blizzard, I'm not sure what the chances are, but I believe it is more along the lines of 1/64 or so, not positive on that though.

What needs to be remembered is that this is a Triple Het. X Triple het. breeding and there will be an extraordinary amount of combinations for the three traits, visibly and with what genes they carry that aren't being expressed (aka what they are het for regarding recessives).

geckorex Mar 22, 2006 11:08 PM

for the info, not that it changes anything but i got them from VMS the breed a treper albino giant to a blizzard female.
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geckorex
3.21 leopard geckos
2.1.1 crested geckos
2.1 bearded dragons
?.?.2 western hognose
0.2 brooksi
0.0?2 grey tree frogs
1.?.1 green anole
2 golden tree frogs
1.2 non-broken cats
0.0? northern 5 lined skink

joshwilson Mar 22, 2006 11:49 PM

here are your percentages from this breeding. Hope it helps, and Good Luck.

1.56% Normal
3.12% Het. Blizzard,
1.56% Homozygous Blizzard,
3.12% Het. Albino,
6.25% Het. Albino, Het. Blizzard,
3.12% Het. Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
1.56% Homozygous Albino,
3.12% Homozygous Albino, Het. Blizzard,
1.56% Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
3.12% Giant,
6.25% Giant, Het. Blizzard,
3.12% Giant, Homozygous Blizzard,
6.25% Giant, Het. Albino,
12.5% Giant, Het. Albino, Het. Blizzard,
6.25% Giant, Het. Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
3.12% Giant, Homozygous Albino,
6.25% Giant, Homozygous Albino, Het. Blizzard,
3.12% Giant, Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
1.56% Super Giant,
3.12% Super Giant, Het. Blizzard,
1.56% Super Giant, Homozygous Blizzard,
3.12% Super Giant, Het. Albino,
6.25% Super Giant, Het. Albino, Het. Blizzard,
3.12% Super Giant, Het. Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
1.56% Super Giant, Homozygous Albino,
3.12% Super Giant, Homozygous Albino, Het. Blizzard,
1.56% Super Giant, Homozygous Albino, Homozygous Blizzard,
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Josh Wilson

Mahlon Mar 23, 2006 12:44 AM

Awesome job, thanks for figuring out the percentages, am at work and didn't have the time.

-Dan

garweft Mar 23, 2006 10:10 AM

I've seen a lot of breeders say that blazing blizzards are produced at a lower percentage than a typical bouble het breeding. It is thought that the genes are either linked or really close to each other. I have seen reports that the numbers produce match a 1:100 odds as opposed to the 1:16 that are expected. I may be wrong as I don't have a blizzard project (yet) and so I don't really keep up with all the data.

balloonzforu Mar 23, 2006 12:02 PM

I think you may be reffering to the Bell Blazing, which is the Bell Albino and Blizzard Leo. For some reason those are harder to produce than the Tremper or Rainwater strains with Blizzard.
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Mahlon Mar 24, 2006 08:41 PM

Just wondering if anyone knows regarding the Bell Line Blazing Blizzards if the eggs have a lower hatch ratio in the Double Het breedings? Seems like there might be some traits in the two bloodlines that cause homozygous lethals, or lethal pairings.

-Dan

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