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This is supposed to be an educational and friendly place where people can go for information or just to talk about their pets. It seems to me tha alot of times a question turns into an argument. Perhaps we all could remember that our opinion is in fact OUR opinion. Be respectful in what you say and how you say it and, of course, be receptive to what others have to say to you. I think we could all benefit from the friendly advise and some of the more experinced keepers would be more beneficial to the younger ones.

Agreed. That in mind, has anyone ever seen what appears to look like blood blisters under their uros scales?

i might be going through something similar in a different type of lizard
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vonnie
***The first law of dietetics seems to be: if it tastes good, it's bad for you. — Issac Asimov ***

I wouldn't say so much that we are "arguing" but giving the same people the same answers to the same questions because they change an ID and change a few facts gets on my nerves as well as a few others. I don't want to speak for people but some users have many years of experience to back up THIER opinions and should be considered the closest things we have to facts and should be treated as so. If you post a picture of a half dead lizard asking for help and everybody tells you the same thing and you disregard thier OPINION then the only fact is you are still left with a half dead lizard. Look at that, I basically am arguing with you so maybe you're right, but that's just MY opinion.

Sorry flbriaz, I can't help you there.
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Well, I agree that this is an educational forum & that being personally civil amongst each other is tantamount but, don't deny members the absolute right to get fired up with those folks who just simply have no business keeping reptiles, much less Uros. Just because someone comes on the forum to ask questions doesn't mean they are necessarily good-intentioned & that they should be encouraged further to keep them. Too many kids (primarily) find this their playground & it's with the younger group that I see having the most problem with husbandry issues.
That being said, I follow a number of forums. Some are downright vicious. No one wants that. But, lively & spirited debate is a good thing & being thin-skinned on any forum is, well, not contributory. Let's not mandate dullness.

I absolutely agree.

Progress only comes through questioning things that aren't 100% logical. When someone gets all upset because someone else questions them, they are doing absolutely nothing to help spread information and make uromastyx husbandry any better at all. Just because someone has 5 or 10 or 15 years of experience keeping uromastyx fat and alive doesn't mean that everyone else should just accept what they say to be true. If something doesn't make sense to someone, then that "experienced" person should be more than willing to back up their opinions and comments with facts that they've found through their years of experience.

A few lightly heated arguments are what we need in my opinion. Confrontation and questioning is more likely to turn up quality evidence and facts than just saying "well I think blah blah and I have 10 years of experience so I don't want to explain myself to you". Let's not be so arrogant as to think we are always 100% correct. And let's remember that spreading information and knowledge on uromastyx should be our goal...

And another suggestion would be for those that want help from those with experience to read the posts carefully from those experienced individuals instead of quickly breezing through, taking things out of context, misquoting what is being said, and creating an argument when one doesn't exist in an attempt to come off as knowing more than the other person does. Offending people who do have experience and knowledge to share is unproductive as it will not result in experienced keepers sharing.

I definately agree with the statements supporting healthy debate on the forum and this is a very civil forum compared to others I've seen, as well.
When I read the original post, I inferred that mindlessvw was not trying to stiffle debate, but was directing his/her comments at some pretty nasty things said in the "little strange" post that had nothing to do w/ herp keeping.
May be wrong, just my .02.
It doesn't take long to figure out who the knowledgeable keepers are and the changing of usernames but asking the same questions is ridiculous. If your intention in posting is to get some sound advice, why not follow it?
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That is very much what i was saying. It seems a bit difficult to find the actual advice from those with more experience when their advice is cloaked in personal attacks or opinions not relating to the original thread topic. I understand fully that debates will ensue because of differing opinions of herp keeping. That is where we learn from our mistakes ad others as well.

"It seems a bit difficult to find the actual advice from those with more experience when their advice is cloaked in personal attacks or opinions not relating to the original thread topic."

Could you point out a few of these posts that you speak of from experienced individuals using personal attacks and giving opinions off topic in a thread?

I think you may be taking this as a personal attack and it is none of that. I think we have all seen recently in the posts people seeming a bit agitated. I think we are all capable of being respectful to others and that is all I was trying to say. I am not speaking of one person in particular. Just a reminder to us all that we once were new in this as well and we all should remember wanting help and advice but not in a condescending manner. Yet again, not that anyone in particular has done this, I have just noticed what seem like slightly heatd conversations. That is all I am trying to say...

I am not taking this as a personal attack. Why should I- you were ready to vote for me on the Ms Congeniality award the other day and your comments backed my post in that thread.

I just really wanted to know what you meant with that statement. Instead of twisting your words or making assumptions, I thought I would ask.

I just meant that I had noticed that particular behavior. It isn't necessarily a bad thing but for some it can seem rather intimidating.