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You guys are great...

lele Jul 28, 2003 09:49 PM

...I really feel like we are a community and everyone is so supportive of each other. I began using this forum back in February or March when I was doing my chameleon "homework" and it was when Kim was desperately trying to save Zoe. I just lurked for awhile and was so taken by the attention and concern everyone had for her, checking up, then it was chimbakka and Orion and on it goes. I have gotten your support both thru private emails and on this forum and just want to say that I appreciate each one of you!

Isn't it interesting to see how well we all "get along" with each other yet we know nothing about each other? What we look like, our age, what our ethnicity, belief system (or not), social and sexual preference is, type of job, rich or poor and all the other things that people fight over in the non-cyber world? The one thing we do know about each other is that we are caring, compassionate people who are always there for each other.

Thank you!
lele and Bart

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anson Jul 28, 2003 10:11 PM

We all understand each other.
We are all either nerds with thick glasses or we have full body tattoos and piercings everywhere. We are used to getting stared at so why not go the extra mile and have some kind of scaly thing riding around on our shoulder.
Just a little humor to make everyone feel better.
Anyway I need to go home and get some sleep. As soon as I finish tapeing up my glasses and find my pocket protector I'm outta here!

trinacliff Jul 28, 2003 10:54 PM

LOL! Cute post. Actually, I don't fit either of those descriptions...I'm just someone that loves animals and is intrigued by these awesome critters. I could sit and watch them all day. I'm a wife, a mom to two wonderful small children, no glasses, tattoos, or piercings other than my ears...people tend to assume I'm much younger than I am...pretty boring, eh?

Anyway, just thought I'd point out that even boring people like me find common interests with others that are totally different in many ways...and I think it's pretty neat too! I'm very grateful to have this group of wonderful people to turn to when in need.

Kristen

lele Jul 29, 2003 08:19 AM

Thanks for the humor, Sonia - it did make me smile at a time I am not smiling much.

I, like Kristen, don't fit those descriptions either (I know you were just "stero-typing" for a reason) and I don't even have the kids or even the the pierced ears(!) - talk about boring! LOL! I'm a 48 y.o student of nature, both as a hobby and "real" school and love all sorts of critters.

You know what might be fun for us to do right about now? Post a picture of ourselves either alone, with our family (human or otherwise) onto the gallery or right in a post. What do you think? Or would this ruin the comraderie somehow?

lele

>>LOL! Cute post. Actually, I don't fit either of those descriptions...I'm just someone that loves animals and is intrigued by these awesome critters. I could sit and watch them all day. I'm a wife, a mom to two wonderful small children, no glasses, tattoos, or piercings other than my ears...people tend to assume I'm much younger than I am...pretty boring, eh?
>>
>>Anyway, just thought I'd point out that even boring people like me find common interests with others that are totally different in many ways...and I think it's pretty neat too! I'm very grateful to have this group of wonderful people to turn to when in need.
>>
>>Kristen

anson Jul 29, 2003 01:31 PM

Yeah! I was being sarcastic partially to lighten the mood and also because before finding Mulberry farms I was trying to find some Hornworms several months ago and found some at a biological supply type company (I won't name) and I was told they would not sell them to me because I wanted them for my reptiles.
The person in charge of sales said they do not sell to "Reptile People" because of how we are and the fact that we don't pay our bills. I even offered to prepay and she still refused to sell to me because of how we "Reptile People" are.
Since then I have been trying to figure out how we are.
I mean I have heard of silly prejudice before but this one takes the cake.

Carlton Jul 29, 2003 04:26 PM

Stereotypes are funny sometimes. I worked in a herp specialty shop once and almost came up with a "reptile people" description based on the majority of customers. Funny how hobbies and body decorations run in patterns! I saw lots of shaved heads, piercings, black leather, black makeup etc. but maybe they were just the "big snake people" LOL. Go into a bird shop and you'd never see this. But, these same reptile customers lifted a multiple-pierced eyebrow at my LL Bean khakis, earth toned shirts and Rockports.

lele Jul 29, 2003 05:35 PM

>>Stereotypes are funny sometimes. I worked in a herp specialty shop once and almost came up with a "reptile people" description based on the majority of customers. Funny how hobbies and body decorations run in patterns! I saw lots of shaved heads, piercings, black leather, black makeup etc. but maybe they were just the "big snake people" LOL. Go into a bird shop and you'd never see this. But, these same reptile customers lifted a multiple-pierced eyebrow at my LL Bean khakis, earth toned shirts and Rockports.

lele Jul 29, 2003 04:40 PM

As you know by now I rear Giant Silk moths for fun/education not feeders. Well, I began my lepidopteran rearing adventures by raising tobacco hornworms (cousin to the tomato hornworm)! About 5 years ago, I was getting a tomato and put my hand on something squishy - at first, I jumped back then I looked closer at this 4” long thing that blended so well with the foliage I was amazed! I then wanted to know what it turned into so I went online and found the sphinx moth, which I was impressed with merely b/c of its size (though’ it comes nowhere close to the 6” wing span of the giant silks!). So I chopped off a piece of the plant and brought it in to rear it. As I collected food for it every day I ended up inadvertently bringing in more that I wouldn’t even see until later. I eventually ended up with 7 of these critters ranging in size from ½” to 4+”. My Mom was visiting at the time and we were both so entranced by these things (believe me, you can watch caterpillars eat with rapt attention as much as we can watch our chams!). I lost 2 to parasitisation, 2 never eclose (emerged as adults), 2 did (this is a 9-10 month process b/c they over winter as pupa) and 1 ended up crippled when it eclosed b/c the stick I had it on became dislodged so it was unable to climb and expand its wings. OK, ready for this??? I named him Toby and hand-fed him for 5 days! Their proboscis (mouthpart) is about 2 ½ times their body length and need to hover in order to feed on plant nectar. It was quite a feat but I was determined! After 5 days we both sort of gave up (he would have only lived another 2-4 days if he was “normal”) so he then went into the freezer. I still have him perched (crooked wings and all) on a dish of lavender flowers and when I do a presentation with my Giant Silks, monarchs or other s leps for kids I always bring Toby along to stress the importance of having a way to climb and expand their wings. I must say, it makes quite an impact on them – I have photos of feeding him that I show as well.

Just a month or so ago I ended up with a Northern Apple Sphinx moth laying about 100 eggs. I brought it in to i.d., put her in a rearing cage overnight, and would release her the next day – that is when I saw all these tiny day-glo green eggs! Anyway, I sent some to a fellow lep person in California who rears many different sphinx moths and does presentations at schools, museums and other venues. He used to breed them for sale but stopped once he realized that many were being fed to herps. I could never feed one to any of my guys. I even had a hard time ordering the silkworms (for those of you who don’t know, they are not the same as silk moths) when Makeda got sick. When I was ordering the silkworms for Makeda I wrote to Robin (friend in CA) and told him of my ethical and personal dilemma and asked if he would disown me as a friend if I fed them to her

I have almost 60 luna and cecropia moth caterpillars right now and it would never even occur to me to feed one to the chams – they are my lovely blue, red, green and yellow “pets” - plus now they are 4x the size of Bart!

So my point in all this is how varied we all are on where we draw the line. Many people see the hornworms as great feeder insects, some see them as pests in the garden and I see them as totally fascinating and humbled by there life cycle. This doesn’t make any of us good or bad people or right or wrong it is just personal choices.

As for the person that you refer to, Sonia, obviously her choice was to not sell them to you b/c she sees them as Robin and I do, but her comments of not paying bills and being “Reptile People” was not obviously stupid and narrow minded. I am the proof that t you can be both a “reptile person” and a lep lover!

looney lele

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