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Do black albino's tend to get more black as they grow? I'm curious because a couple I'm looking into getting are more brown and offwhite, rather than black and white. When the breeder was asked about this, they just said "Anerythristic or black Albino corns are very variable, it's impossible to predict how any given juvenile will turn out with growth." This sort of sounds like legal stuff so we couldn't come back on them because they didn't turn out to be what we wanted when they don't turn black.

Thank you for any input.

they were correct. some will be darker and some lighter. No way to tell really. You could get some from a line that had darker parents, but still they could end up lighter than you want.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

they wont be completely black if thats what you meant/want, they will still have a definite pattern to them.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

Oh, no I realize they'll have a pattern. I just meant the darker part of the pattern. I was just curious because any picture of a black albino I have ever saw has black or light black spots or patches I guess I would say, with a lighter color on the rest of the snake. These have much more brown colored patches, and I didn't know if that was normal and they would turn more black as they grew.

>>Oh, no I realize they'll have a pattern. I just meant the darker part of the pattern. I was just curious because any picture of a black albino I have ever saw has black or light black spots or patches I guess I would say, with a lighter color on the rest of the snake. These have much more brown colored patches, and I didn't know if that was normal and they would turn more black as they grew.

There is a great varience in anerys (I don't really care for the term black albino so let's please just use anery or anerythristic)
To answer your question I would just say that if you happen to get a young anery with more brown tones then black it will grow to be a more brown then black.
The blacker ones will tend to towards blacks and greys as the grow.
They can all end up with quite a bit of yellow along their necks, too.

Check these two out.
They are both anerys and both from the same snow mother.

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I presume "black albino" is anery? If so why is this term used?
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

I am your worst nightmare! I have a three-line phone and plenty of time to kill!
(Dale Gribble)

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

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Yes, black albino is anerythristic "a". Although I can't say for sure why they call it that too, other than it lacks all red pigment.

You wonder why people get confused. Corns are amel not albino like BP's. Then a snake with black is called "black albino". Anery A seems more logical and a cleaner understnding. A meaning forst anery type discovered.

I'm not saying you or anyone here is promoting hyping of names. But at some point the regular well known people should correct this. IMHO

And I will add, the corn people are my far the BEST at this. BP's and especially the beardies people seem to create names daily.. My first beardies that hatch I think I will call HerZillA morohs lol.. Ok, no I won't. But people seem to love these silly names.

STOP IT right now! I command you!

Gee that felt good lol

l8r

>>Yes, black albino is anerythristic "a". Although I can't say for sure why they call it that too, other than it lacks all red pigment.
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

I am your worst nightmare! I have a three-line phone and plenty of time to kill!
(Dale Gribble)

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

Way back it wasn't terribly uncommon to see amelanistic corns referred to as "red albinos" and anerythristic corns referred to as "black albinos". For a lot of people, amelanistic and anerythristic are nonsense words. People thought that red and black albino would be easier to understand.

I'm happy that red and black albino seem to be going out of use. I'd also like to see anerythristic A and anerythristic B be entirely replaced by anerythristic and charcoal.

Paul Hollander

Thank you Paul

When I sell stuff, I always seem to explain stuff like that. I'm not ssure how many it sticks with? I mean people still come in for baby turtles and the plastic palm tree. As I explain turtles need 40-50 bucks in lights and under 4" is illegal, I am told that they have them at the mall, that don't need all that, and stay under 2"s! SIGH!!!

Anery A it is, Paul said so!. Besides, whats going to happen when there is an true albino/amel/blizzard/snow thay have black spots? I know they use paradox a lot. I really need a voice box at the shop, press a button to hear the correct lecture! lol

OOPs then I'd have no job, scratch that idea..

tom
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

I am your worst nightmare! I have a three-line phone and plenty of time to kill!
(Dale Gribble)

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I never understood the 4" thing.....
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

As I recall, the trade was given an option of some sort in in 1973 to monitor or somehow control sales of small turtles.

Idea was kids mainly had small turtles, and they could put them in their mouths. Also their hands of course, after handling turtles. With no collective controlling of sales (SURPRISE), they feds passed the turtle law. Of course the US was just finding out about germs and icky things in the 1970's like salmonella. But they did not do much against chickens or ecoli in beef.

Also from my understanding the reason it is not really enforced, is USDA is the dept that enforces it (correct me if I'm wrong). The DWF is about sales, they are the aggressive group. But if you get a permit to have small turtles, then people try to get around the 1975 law because it states it is ok if used "for a bona fide educational purpose". Well being an ex-cop, signing one of those is fraud just like me saying I live in PA to buy my fireworks. No real enforcement there at all. Even less from the USDA to check 1000's of places selling small turtles.

I think the law is outdated. But if a new law is written it should be written with the idea it would be enforceable. Or is that to logical for our government?

I DO NOT agree with MOST small turtle sales. But I do not see why a mata mata is lumped in with a red eared slider? Again, my largest complaint has always been, blanket laws made by lazy and ignorant politicians.
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

I am your worst nightmare! I have a three-line phone and plenty of time to kill!
(Dale Gribble)

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

A way a local pet shop has found around this law, is they take "donations" for their turtle fund and give you a turtle. I have found that smaller turtles are harder to keep alive and that might make a contribution as well as the disease carrying issue.
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1.1.3 bearded dragons
0.1.0 water dragon
1.3.0 leopard geckos
12.20.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.3.0 king snakes
1.0.0 royal (Ball) pythons
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
0.0.2 prairie ringneck snakes
0.1.0 chilean rose hair tarantula
1.1.0 emperor scorpions
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

That is not legal.
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

I am your worst nightmare! I have a three-line phone and plenty of time to kill!
(Dale Gribble)

1.3 Bearded Dragons
6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock)
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs,
0.2 Cats,,
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

That's when you tell them that yeah the turtle will stay under 2". Because it'll kill over before it can grow.
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3.3 Normal Ball pythons (Hoss, Little Man, Adam, Helen, and the 2 new girls who gets named when they eat)
0.2 Snow corns (Legolas, Eurydice)
1.0 Amel het charcoal (Orlando)
1.0 Hypo het anery het Amel
0.1 Amel het Stripe
0.1 Normal Cal King snake (Sidhe which sounds exactly like "she"
0.0.1 GTP (Kissy the Red)
1.1 Haitian Boa (Enkil and Akasha)

And bunches of furry pets