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some people say it cant be done, and others say it can. we will see!
tri-color hognose to western hognose.
thoughts on this one? and dont tell me its been done !

JIM

i cant wait to see the hatchlings if the cross works. im not to farmiliar with hogs but i know that the tri is rear fanged hot, is the western a hot also? if not it will be curious to see if the hatchlings will be or not.
and again awesome!!!
p.s. put one on reserve for me.
adam
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0.1.0 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0.0 snow corn het hypo,anery,amel
1.0.0 amel corn unknown hets(4ft 8inch long)
1.0 sinacorn
0.0.1 snapping turtles
0.0.1 3 lined mud turtle
1.1 kenyan sand boas
0.1 mbk
0.1 albino nelsons

Eastern, Western and Southern hognoses do not have fangs (hollow teeth attached to modified salivary glands). They just have big teeth in the rear of their mouths. The teeth are not hollow nor even grooved. I assume the tricolors are the same way. I've read, incidentally, that even the common snakes such as ratsnakes and cornsnakes have toxins in their saliva similar to that found in some hots. I get careless occasionally and get bit. I keep wondering if perhaps the itching that sometimes occurs about half an hour later is due to a small amount of saliva on the teeth.

Bigfoot

but the only reason i know is that i asked that very question on the hog forum not to long ago or at least a similiar question. their venom is not really that toxic at all but none the less it is venom. harmless to humans to say the least
adam
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0.1.0 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0.0 snow corn het hypo,anery,amel
1.0.0 amel corn unknown hets(4ft 8inch long)
1.0 sinacorn
0.0.1 snapping turtles
0.0.1 3 lined mud turtle
1.1 kenyan sand boas
0.1 mbk
0.1 albino nelsons

If all big snake teeth were fangs, some pythons would have a mouthfull of them. Hognoses do have large teeth about halfway back in their mouths. Some call them fangs. I've seen them under a dissecting microscope and did not see any indication they were anything more than big teeth. Fangs should at least be grooved.

Pet hognoses are more dangerous than wild ones. That's because wild ones won't bite and a hungry pet may mistake a thumb or finger for food. When a hognose grabs a toad, it chews the poison in. It will do the same to a person's finger. Let it chew for a minute or two and your whole arm will swell up. There are or were some pretty graphic pictures on the net but I can't find them now.

Bigfoot

it would be a little scary if they were the size of a corn, but if they were the size of a pit id never let it mistake me for food
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jake

my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

The position of these enlarged teeth is reason for them being referred to as rear fanged, they are not in line on the maxilla with the other teeth they are set outside, what purpose they serve is still up in the air but there is no visible difference between the "fangs" of a large platyrhinos and a Lioheterdon madagascarensis...and most likely a lystrophis for that matter. Also it seems to me simus have larger "fangs" in proportion to thier body size than platyrhinos...at least this is my personal experience with a small number of simus compared to a large sample of platyrhinos.....all this said I am optimistic, I think you will get viable offspring from this pairing. A year ago no one would have accepted that aspidites & morelia would produce....good luck to you!

That IS crazy. I am sure that has never been done before.

I hope you keep us all updated if the female becomes gravid. Hope you don't put a backup tricolor in with her for a while so well know for sure which male she bred.

Keep up the awesome work!

Yeah, that is really amazing. I have been hoping to see if that cross would work and have just been waiting for someone to accomplish it. I hope to see your data on it over time, whether you get offspring or not, either way, it will be very informative.
BDR

np.

i dont think its been done but i also dont think its crazy unless your western is albino. breed a tri hog to a jungle corn, thats crazy or even better...trihog x albino bull.
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jake

my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

LOL you come up with some weird ideas..............don't think they would work.

John

that they would work. a hog can breed to a corn and a bull can breed to a corn so it wpould probably work
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jake

my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

i am not very versed in hybrids, but i do not think it is possible for a mammal to breed a reptile.

but seriously, i have never heard of a hognosed snake breeding a corn (or vise versa). is this actually possible? any pictures of proof?

mike
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www.southtexasherps.com

i have no proof/pics but ive heard about it here, theres only a few pages for this forum, go back and read.
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jake

my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

>>that they would work. a hog can breed to a corn and a bull can breed to a corn so it wpould probably work
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>>jake
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Hey Jake
Have you ever tried breeding a hognose to a cornsnake, i was just wondering as you seem to be confident about it.

Iv been trying for about 5 years with no luck yet, could you give me some pointer's.

What experience have you had with them, any info would be great.

Thanks.

The Grinch

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ive never done it but ive heard of it(i thought). if it isnt possible im wrong, im only human. was that sarcasm in your post?
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jake

my addiction:
0.0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1.0 amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

I've been waiting for some to try this one for a while. I hope you'll think about contributing data to HBA for with this too.
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Adam
Hybrid Breeders Association

>>some people say it cant be done, and others say it can. we will see!
>>tri-color hognose to western hognose.
>>thoughts on this one? and dont tell me its been done !
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>>JIM
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Jim
Thats a sight isnt it. how did the tri react to start with.

please keep us informed of the progress.

Cheers

The Grinch
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like a rock! she didnt make a move.