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Isnt "the market" ultimately set by the buyer rather than the seller. Often times someone asks "is this a good deal for this" and almost every time someone responds with "are you happy with what you got for that price" or something similar. So, it doesnt matter what you sell yours for, at the end of the day, (week , month, year...whatever) if a buyer wont spend that much, the seller acts accordingly. The ebb and flow will take care of itself.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

Most of these types of discussions (not this one) could easily be avoided if people would study the simple concept of supply and demand. The BP world is not its own isolated domain. It is affected by the same things that affect any other product or service.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

>>Most of these types of discussions (not this one) could easily be avoided if people would study the simple concept of supply and demand.

Honestly, I don't think people WANT to avoid these market discussions. Honestly, they're lively, and we all know that on occasion, it get's dull around here.

I'd venture to bet that, subconsciously if not knowingly, most people enjoy these threads (and the dermaball threads...Where are you, Justin?)
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Jeremy Conrad
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...Can't...stop...must...get...more...balls...

I do enjoy them but I think because I find it somewhat amusing when people panic about it. Maybe it would be different if I had a bunch of money invested in it, but the ones who are doing it right are in it for the marathon. If you want to get rich quick, you should definitely think about amway or something that is "proven". LOL

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

The problem I see with breeding snakes is this, the people that buy high end Balls and Boas do it ONLY to breed them, and make more snakes. The snake's value is in being able to reproduce the sought after genetic morph, and sell it. The snake has no real use, like a car, house, new appliance, etc. You buy a morph banking on the fact that someone down the line will want the same morph, and will actually buy it from you. The "market" will be based on what people will pay, not what people will post as a new price. However, that being said, someone posted some Cinns for sale a month or so ago for $2500, and now in my mind, I cannot pay over that amount...

Dave

well, I suppose it would depend on who it was offering them at that price. If its Joe Shmoe, and everyone else has a "normal" price, then you either wait or pay the "higher" normal price. I know people buy the high end morphs to make more and sell. But, if you are in it for the long haul, it shouldnt really be a problem. You can buy a $10,000 snake as a baby. By the time its ready to breed maybe babies are $2,000 but if you are producing 20 that year and they all sell you still make money. Too bad they dont still sell for 10,000 but in the long run you still get your initial investment back and then some. That might be a bad example and Im sure its not like........ just breed them and then a line forms at your door with cash in hand......
The good thing is this isnt like a house or a car. Each new house and car takes the same amount of money for each one. You buy one snake (using a co dom here) and that snake can clone itself (sort of, in a way) and it doesnt cost anywhere near the initial investment animal, for each subsequent animal produced. You feed it like you would a pet and with a little (or a lot) labor and luck, more snakes. Again, I know its not that easy.......but

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

The Angry Market Activist
by Christopher Bianco

Act One

(The Angry Market Activist enters the room.)

Angry Market Activist: I am so angry! Joe Schmoe is selling Cinnamons Pastels below market value again! Joe Schmoe is crashing the market!!!

Act Two

(The Angry Market Activist dials the phone.)

Angry Market Activist: Hello? Is this Plain Jane? I'm calling about the Orange Ghost you advertised on Kingsnake for $2500. Will you take $1250?

The End

Chris
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mean people suck

OK. I'll take $1250, just don't tell anyone.

Act IV

Post on Kingsnake:
What do you think of my $1200 Hypo!

Act V

For Sale 15.36 Het Hypos Males $500 Females $2000

Act VI

For Sale Proven Breeder Hypo Male $6000
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.42.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.1 Lizard of unknown origin

haha, you would think it would be that simple. I guess it was a small, tiny rant about how people always get on the sellers for low balling others, when it would take a lot more than the few guys in the classifieds doing it to bring everyone else down. Maybe instead of just setting a low price, they could have "sales" or "mail in rebates" so the original price is still the same and everyone feels all warm inside.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

I hardly read the "market" posts anymore. Too many people worrying about something they are unlikely to change. Oh well.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

Your point is exactly why I find it humorous that some individuals think they can artificially stem the rules of supply and demand. It worked when they were the only game in town. Too many players with a decreasing demand side.

Do people really think they will keep prices from going down by breeding less.

If you really want to find market price. Go to a local mid size swap and see what they are selling for. In general it makes the KS prices look high. If you REALLY want to know the market price PAY in cash and make an offer.

Later,
Chris

The other side of the coin is that the seller can refuse to go below a certain point. If the seller believes that someone else will offer more than one particular "buyer" is offering, then the seller will refuse to make the sale. If the seller is correct in his belief, then the market will go no lower than what the seller insists is his bottom price.

The free market is like the whole breeding process. You have to have two willing participants. There are occasional reports of a female fertilizing her own eggs in some way, but generally nothing happens until both male and female cooperate. Likewise, "the market" depends on the free choices of both buyer and seller.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

Well said Bill...and for that matter.
Some animals will not even be offered...simply held back.

In my case,any female co-doms or 100%hets i hatch out will probably just stay here with me indefinetely.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.