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INDIGO HEAT SOURCE AND CAGING

dtl8686 Apr 02, 2006 09:48 PM

I have another question for the experts. In your opinion, what do you feel is necessary for size of cage to breed indigos successfully ? I know that bigger is always better, but i'm trying to keep my costs down on the cages. I was looking into some cages from animal plastics. Would it be wise to go with the 48" x 24" x 15" or the 72" x 30" x 18" ? there is a big difference in cost so do you think the 6 ft would be better or 4ft ? Also, do you feel that under tank heat ( flexwatt ) or radiant heat panels are better ? I was kinda leaning toward the radiant heat panels because they don't seem to affect the cage above them as much when they are stacked like the flexwatt or bulbs.

Thanks,

Dave

Replies (10)

Carmichael Apr 03, 2006 08:22 AM

Don't skimp on the cost of the cage; if you can't afford the proper housing, you would be well advised to consider a different species to work with (and that doesn't sound like the case with you so please don't take that comment personally). Although a fully grown adult indigo could live in a 4' x 2' cage, just remember that these are defecating machines who typically cover vast tracts of land in their natural element. As such, going with a 6' cage with extra depth and floor space will be fully utilized by an indigo. You will also be very happy in having a cage that is easier to maintain, provides a far better thermal gradient (another very important reason for a larger cages....indigos don't do well in conditions in which they cannot thermal regulate), and is all around much better for the snake. Just eat the initial additional costs for a larger cages now and realize that your indigo, if properly cared for, will live well into their 20's. As far as heat goes, that is a personal decision. I use flex watt, incadescents and radiant heat panels with good success. In your situation, an appropriately sized heat panel connected to a thermostat (making sure the snake has access to cool areas that go no higher than the low 70's daytime) with the cage being lighted by a good fluorescent will do the trick.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL

>>I have another question for the experts. In your opinion, what do you feel is necessary for size of cage to breed indigos successfully ? I know that bigger is always better, but i'm trying to keep my costs down on the cages. I was looking into some cages from animal plastics. Would it be wise to go with the 48" x 24" x 15" or the 72" x 30" x 18" ? there is a big difference in cost so do you think the 6 ft would be better or 4ft ? Also, do you feel that under tank heat ( flexwatt ) or radiant heat panels are better ? I was kinda leaning toward the radiant heat panels because they don't seem to affect the cage above them as much when they are stacked like the flexwatt or bulbs.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

DTL8686 Apr 03, 2006 09:18 AM

Thanks Rob ! I appreciate and respect your opinion. I think you remember me. I am the guy you met at the breeders convention in october. I do falconry too. You have my fiance's burmese python, you know, the big girl of yours. Anyway, I was looking at the cages from Animal Plastics. They are 6'L x 30" D x 18" H. I was wondering if you thought flex or radiant heat was better. I found some fairly inexpensive heat panels through Big Apple Herp. Not sure if they are as good as the Helix units I currently have. The biggest size they have is a 54 watt. I think it will do the trick ? Do you ? Also, any suggestions where I might find a larger female unicolor cribo ? I just picked up a nice male yesterday at a swap in Kankakee. Only $70 ! and he's nice too ! very nice body weight and a very tiny nose rub spot. Other than that he's beautiful. ( they look so much like cobras ! ) Anyway, I really appreciate any help !

Dave

Carmichael Apr 03, 2006 07:18 PM

Hi Dave, I didn't put two and two together; good to hear from you. I personally like Pro Product Radiant Heat Panels but use what you have and just make sure temps don't get too high. Lets see some cribo pics! Rob PS: if you are in the Chicago area this weekend, we will be having an exhibit at the CHS ReptileFest at UIC.

>>Thanks Rob ! I appreciate and respect your opinion. I think you remember me. I am the guy you met at the breeders convention in october. I do falconry too. You have my fiance's burmese python, you know, the big girl of yours. Anyway, I was looking at the cages from Animal Plastics. They are 6'L x 30" D x 18" H. I was wondering if you thought flex or radiant heat was better. I found some fairly inexpensive heat panels through Big Apple Herp. Not sure if they are as good as the Helix units I currently have. The biggest size they have is a 54 watt. I think it will do the trick ? Do you ? Also, any suggestions where I might find a larger female unicolor cribo ? I just picked up a nice male yesterday at a swap in Kankakee. Only $70 ! and he's nice too ! very nice body weight and a very tiny nose rub spot. Other than that he's beautiful. ( they look so much like cobras ! ) Anyway, I really appreciate any help !
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>>Dave
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

copperhead13 Apr 03, 2006 07:25 PM

When's the party?

epidemic Apr 03, 2006 03:24 PM

I agree with Rob, and it appears you have already answered your own question, in that bigger is better.
I keep all of my adult Drymarchon in 8'x4'x2' enclosures, custom made by a neighbor using HDPE which is welded together. For heating purposes, I prefer to use Pro Heat radiant panels manufactured by Pro Products in conjunction with a 40 watt spot light for basking connected to Helix DBS 1000 proportional thermostats , along with a 48" double UV fixture for general lighting purposes.

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

copperhead13 Apr 03, 2006 07:47 PM

How do the heat panels work?

mrand Apr 04, 2006 02:23 PM

"I keep all of my adult Drymarchon in 8'x4'x2' enclosures..."

good lord jeff! i'm trying to do the math here and i'm figuring that you must have a warehouse for a snake room.

are your cages made of 1/2 inch HDPE? or are they reinforced in some way? is there any sag over the 4x8 span? the reason i ask is i'm thinking about purchasing several 6 foot PE cages (which are CDPVC) from animal plastics and i'm a bit concerned about sagging/door function.

thanks,

matt

epidemic Apr 04, 2006 02:54 PM

I have two facilities for housing my collection, not quite warehouse size, but large indeed. My wife keeps horses, so my reptile facilities are quite small in comparison with her barn and riding arena. You may recall a post about maintaining domestic tranquility while keeping Drys a while back and such was mentioned ;0).
My enclosures are made from .5" HDPE and maintained on shelves, to prevent bowing..

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

copperhead13 Apr 04, 2006 07:41 PM

Heck, build me one I'm on my way Jeff!
Make sure you include a bathroom, and I won't eat rats!

Thanks

epidemic Apr 05, 2006 10:23 AM

You will ahve to assist in the upkeep of your roomies! ;0)

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

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