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I come from corn snakes, and I have been really looking into purchasing a dry and I was wondering if there are any morphs or not that have been discovered....just a question....if so any pics, if not any ideas as to why?
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A.J.
1.0.0- Amel Motley Corn- Valentine (R.I.P 5/20/05)
0.1.0- Snow Corn- Artica
1.0.0- Normal Corn- Ember
1.0.0- Ball Python- G.T.

There have been rumors, and some convincing photos, from Europe, indicating some amelanistic D. couperi were hatched about 13 years ago, but nothing since.
The idea of a color morph among Drymarchon spp. causes concern among most people working with the genus, especially in regards to D. couperi and D. m erebennus, as such anomalies can indicate other genetic problems. Most feel the last thing D. couperi need; are to be produced for a genetic defect, as the gene pool is already limited enough, without the inbreeding pressure placed upon the captive production of color morphs.
In short, most deem it unwise to attempt color morph production of a species on the threatened and / or endangered species list. This probably would not be such an issue regarding any of the Cribos, though I am unaware of any phenotypic color morphs regarding them and I do not know of anyone who has knowledge of such…

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Very well put, I understand completely...I am hoping to save up to get a YT Cribo, and hopefully an Eastern Indigo, by far my 2 fav snakes, just so hard to get and get a cage for, i plan to build a couple big cages once i get into a house, so it may be quite some time, but thanks anyways
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A.J.
1.0.0- Amel Motley Corn- Valentine (R.I.P 5/20/05)
0.1.0- Snow Corn- Artica
1.0.0- Normal Corn- Ember
1.0.0- Ball Python- G.T.

Dude !!
Don't bring up the M-Word !
People get crazy 'round these parts!

Sssssshhhhhh.

Cornsnake morphs are fine for those who appreciate them. But an Okeetee corn reigns supreme in North American snakedom. Crosses, such as jungle corns and Jurassic whatever they are, are okay as feeder snakes. Ball python morphs - I don't get it. We have to remember that what we do to impact a specie's captive population will carry on after we're gone. Having said that, I look forward to the day when the Drymarchon morphs appear. The mottled rubidus is just a start.

I know how you all feel about it, I was just curious is all, I was actually suprised that I got decent responses, not the snide, rude comments i'm used to getting, i appreciate your opinions and letting me know where it was at as of now, i have my own opinions and thanks!
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A.J.
1.0.0- Amel Motley Corn- Valentine (R.I.P 5/20/05)
0.1.0- Snow Corn- Artica
1.0.0- Normal Corn- Ember
1.0.0- Ball Python- G.T.

You're very welcome, AJ,

While most of us shudder at the thought of such genetics entering the limited gene pool of captive D. couperi, there is no reason to be rude when responding to honest questions to this regard...

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

Jeff,
Yup, there is always at least one who just doesn't get it. When you get tired of it here, you know where your wisdom is always welcome!
T.

I do not consider the mottled rubidus a morph, but rather a locality variation, as such were not produced through selective breeding.
There are three variations of D. m rubidus, that I am aware of, in the wild. Perhaps more field work in Mexico will lead to further taxonomic changes...

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

You guys always put a negative spin on selective breeding. It's not all bad. BTW Nature does it.

Would you care to point out exactly what I said and elaborate upon what you considered negative within my post?
Anytime I select specimens for mating I am partaking in “selective breeding”. I was merely pointing out that fact that the mottled form of D. m rubidus is not a color morph produced through selective captive breeding.
Personally, I have no ill feelings towards anyone who works to produce color morphs, nor the animals themselves. However, I prefer “textbook” specimens and harbor genuine concerns regarding the genetics of species that have been produced heavily for the color morph market.
For reference, it is now almost impossible to acquire a true, normal P. m mugitus from captive produced stock, as an amelanistic or leucistic baby almost always presents itself when breeding such. I simply wish to avoid such instances occurring within the captive Dry population, especially D. couperi.
I believe there is a difference between expressing concerns and being negative…

Best regards,

Jeff
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Jeff Snodgres
University of Arkansas
snodgresjeffreys@uams.edu
501.603.1947

There damn near gone in the wild south of tampa and the ones from the north part of the state are dark and high contrast, the ones from the south are faded and much lighter but all the mugitus in the market are trash to me and its good to hear jeff say it because I've spent 15 years tring to find a pair in the field while it's still legal to do so, and Im very aware of the laws as I live in fla, but one day they'll all be gone and thats all we'll have is morphs..., and northern fla types....JB