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Has anyone had identical twins? I know this is a hard question because they could or could not come from the same egg since the egg splits during mitosis. And it makes it even harder to tell identical twins if the pattern is caused by egg temps because identical twins could have different patterns. So I guess my question is has it happened? How can you be sure?
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

Without DNA testing I do not see how. But remember female snakes produces a lot of eggs, and the zygote would have to slpit at the blastula or morula stage? Been a long time since bio. I do not see a way for the average guy/gal to tell. I'm not even sure when the egg becomes a zygote. It may be to late to split. Although I would think 2 headed snakes are identical twins (monozygotic) gone wrong. But it is thought in humans the identical twins are not genetic, but the fraternals are.

My point, Heck if I know. Oh yea, probably to way to tell. I was just in a mood to ramble a bit lol

tom

>>Has anyone had identical twins? I know this is a hard question because they could or could not come from the same egg since the egg splits during mitosis. And it makes it even harder to tell identical twins if the pattern is caused by egg temps because identical twins could have different patterns. So I guess my question is has it happened? How can you be sure?
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>>0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
>>1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
>>1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
>>.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
>>0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

God knows all, and as man finds parts of that all, god changes those parts of all. Then he laughs at us!!!
(Me)

1.3 Bearded Dragons (Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock) All Named George
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope (All corns named Ray Guy
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I have had two snakes from one egg (Black Pine Snakes), but they were definitely not "identical" twins.

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Thanks
Jim
Home Grown Herps

aww it looks like they are hugging
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
.1 Miami Phase (Emily)
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, Anery, poss het Amel (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Cecily, Willard)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Skunky, Dweezil)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLE~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)

Very very cool, I hope you do not might I snag your pic for my private collection.

I never even thought about the division being in the egg. One would think it would be identical, because to have fraternal you'd need 2 sperm in the eggs, and 2 olvas sp? Weird.

Like I've stated we do not know mch at all on reptiles on genetics. We all try to think of it in terms of mammals and it may have toally different rules. Lets say the process to create identical twins in mamamals in reptiles can produces different phentypes. Mainly in patterns.

great picture two! lol

I wish someone with extreme herp and genetic backgrounds did a 2-3 day course. I'd be there to audit the class for sure.

>>I have had two snakes from one egg (Black Pine Snakes), but they were definitely not "identical" twins.
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>>Thanks
>>Jim
>> Home Grown Herps
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ontogeny recapitulate phylogeny

Charlie Mike

God knows all, and as man finds parts of that all, god changes those parts of all. Then he laughs at us!!!
(Me)

1.3 Bearded Dragons (Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

6 baby female Western hognose, 3.5 adults some friend some mine,,,building breeding stock) All Named George
1 Corn snake (bloodred) 0.2 1 MIA In the house I hope (All corns named Ray Guy
1 baby creamcycle 0.1
2 Okeettes I think? 1.1 youngens
ochrocephala oratrix 0.0.1? Adult, and a killer!
ochrocephala auropalliata 0.0.1? Adult
2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

do you have a pic showing how different they were?
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A.J.
1.0.0- Amel Motley Corn- Valentine (R.I.P 5/20/05)
0.1.0- Snow Corn- Artica
1.0.0- Normal Corn- Ember
1.0.0- Ball Python- G.T.

I did, but can't find them. I'll keep looking and if I find them I will post one.
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Thanks
Jim
Home Grown Herps

These two are almost identical? Maybe not.

what did they sex as?
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"

Male

they are two cute!!! hahahaha had to be CORNY hahaha ok i'll stop.
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
.1 Miami Phase (Emily)
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, Anery, poss het Amel (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Cecily, Willard)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Skunky, Dweezil)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLE~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)