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There is a picture that has now been in the Week In Review twice and I asked about it the first time. It is a black/grey and gold snake that looks like a corn and someone said it was a wild caught corn snake. Now if anyone has the book "Snakes of the Southeast" by Whit Gibbons and Mike Dorcas and turn to page 99 you will see a snake almost identical to that one. In the book they are saying that snake is an eastern milksnake. I am just wondering if anyone else has that book and sees that they look a like and that it isnt a wild caught corn its a wild caught eastern milk.
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1.1 Motley het butter corns
0.1 Snow corn
0.1 Okeetee corn
1.0 Anery mutt corn
0.1 Stripe Ghost corn
0.1 Amelanistic corn het carmel
2.1 Colombian Redtails
1.0 Hypo Colombian redtail
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan sand boa

I assume you are talking about the golden corn that zee caught. He caught it in the eastern part of NC. If you look at the map on page 98 you will see that the eastern milk is not there.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

but you have to admit that the animal in the book and the animal on this board look almost like they are from the same clutch. It does say the eastern is in found in North Carolina so I mean it is found in the same state and it may be a long shot but it could be in eastern parts of North Carolina.
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1.1 Motley het butter corns
0.1 Snow corn
0.1 Okeetee corn
1.0 Anery mutt corn
0.1 Stripe Ghost corn
0.1 Amelanistic corn het carmel
2.1 Colombian Redtails
1.0 Hypo Colombian redtail
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan sand boa

eastern milks are commonly mistaken for corns by some people. Look at the corn on page 119, why would it be an eastern milk over that?

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

>>There is a picture that has now been in the Week In Review twice and I asked about it the first time. It is a black/grey and gold snake that looks like a corn and someone said it was a wild caught corn snake. Now if anyone has the book "Snakes of the Southeast" by Whit Gibbons and Mike Dorcas and turn to page 99 you will see a snake almost identical to that one. In the book they are saying that snake is an eastern milksnake. I am just wondering if anyone else has that book and sees that they look a like and that it isnt a wild caught corn its a wild caught eastern milk.
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You are talking about Zee's Golden Corn.
That is in no way an Eastern Milk snake.
It is most definitely a corn snake.
If you put an eastern milk and a corn snake side by side, you would be able to see the differences.
Yes, it is a very unique corn, yes it brought up a lot of doubt, yes it was speculated to be this or that but it is indeed a corn and has been bred and we are anxious to see what crops up in its F2 babies.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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How can they be so positive it is a corn if they look a lot a like and that one was a wild caught. I am just trying to figure out the characteristics between the two that makes it 100% certain they are different.
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1.1 Motley het butter corns
0.1 Snow corn
0.1 Okeetee corn
1.0 Anery mutt corn
0.1 Stripe Ghost corn
0.1 Amelanistic corn het carmel
2.1 Colombian Redtails
1.0 Hypo Colombian redtail
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan sand boa

For one, corns have a divided anal plate, whereas the milk would have a single plate.

ep
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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

Any idea where I could see pics of the F1 babies?
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A.J.
1.0.0- Amel Motley Corn- Valentine (R.I.P 5/20/05)
0.1.0- Snow Corn- Artica
1.0.0- Normal Corn- Ember
1.0.0- Ball Python- G.T.

You must be referring to Zee' golden corn.I have seen it in person,I also got to photograph it.She is definitely different but,100% corn snake.If you know what a corn snake looks like & you know what an eastern milksnake looks like,why do you need to look in a book? jeff

I never said I knew for sure what they looked like. That was why the post was made in the first place. I saw a picture on the board and one in a book that looked a lot a like so I decided to question it to find out. thanks
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1.1 Motley het butter corns
0.1 Snow corn
0.1 Okeetee corn
1.0 Anery mutt corn
0.1 Stripe Ghost corn
0.1 Amelanistic corn het carmel
2.1 Colombian Redtails
1.0 Hypo Colombian redtail
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan sand boa

It was this part of your origninal post that troubled me a bit:

"I am just wondering if anyone else has that book and sees that they look a like and that it isnt a wild caught corn its a wild caught eastern milk."

See, it doesn't sound much like a question, but rather a statement of fact there. Now, I realize that it is really hard to "hear" what someone means on these forums, so I didn't see any reason to say much at first.

But now, since you're saying that you were just asking in order to understand more clearly, I thought I would point the above out to you, so you would understand why some took you wrong.

Zee has a great find in that female of his. I hope that coloration has a genetic basis, and that it is reproduceable in the F2 generation. I'm already in line to buy 1.1 of them, if it is!
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I must admit, I too misunderstood you.I kinda thought you were questioning the validity of golden corn's being a cornsnake. Sorry!, jeff

I've seen eastern milks in person and in my opinion, they look nothing like the pictures of the "golden corn". They are closer in resemblance to corn snakes than the other kings/milks (again in my opinion) which is why I really like the looks of them. But at the same time they are still quite different.
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Traci