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Your Triple het was an Orangasm Hypo correct?

Why not use MOONGLOW for the ORANGASM version of the Hypo Snow. And let others use Snowglow for the traditional version.

Why do this? Well, we acknowledge the differences in Pastel bloodlines, Albino bloodlines, and Hypo bloodlines allready. Why can't we have a different name for Hypo Snow lines?

There are EBV Red Group, Keller, Jim Peters, and Ronne Pastel Dream Pastels. They are ALL PASTELS.

There are Orangetail Hypos, Gee Hypos, Salmons, and mixes. Yet, they are ALL HYPOMELANISTIC boas.

Thanks Brock for indirectly giveing me the idea!

Yes Chris! I agree! MoonGlow!!!!! All the way!!!

As I also believe that "NO" SnowGlow without the ORANGASM Gene would ever compare anyway!!!!
Chris you are Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats to you for a clear understanding!

Andy Federico
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first solution I would agree with. The Orangasm line is pretty special on it's own and it would make sense to have the Moonglow as a name for that bloodline. Everyone wants to call it a Snowglow and I think they are going to regardless of what Mark says which i think is unfair to Mark, he did produce the first living one. It goes back to what you said earlier, some names just catch on and some dont, the Boa community will decide in the end but Marks are going to be MoonGlows like it or not.
Brock

Its an orangasm bloodline snowglow. If I breed the stripeline into a sunglow should I give it an all new name? "orangasm" is just a polygenic bloodline, not a single gene mutation. Salmonboa has names for their females, and the litters get marked with their mothers name, plus a number. Should all the different "lines" of salmons coming from them put into sunglows or other morphs be made into new names? They certainly have unique bloodlines as well.

Whenever I go to research ball python morphs I get overwhelmed with all the variations of names used... gets confusing. Boa morphs seem to be more straight forward thus far. Naming every bloodline/mutation combo something new seems like a step towards mucking it up to me.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

First off....I do not think the Orangasm is Polygenic!...

Also you may need to prepare...Boas are just getting started in the world of Morphs..

Someday we will see Pied Boas... Luecistics...Blacks...oh we have those already....but you get what I am saying..

What the MoonGlow will do in the long run...is well worth it's newly distiguished name of MoonGlow!!!

Andy

Its an orangasm bloodline snowglow. If I breed the stripeline into a sunglow should I give it an all new name? "orangasm" is just a polygenic bloodline, not a single gene mutation. Salmonboa has names for their females, and the litters get marked with their mothers name, plus a number. Should all the different "lines" of salmons coming from them put into sunglows or other morphs be made into new names? They certainly have unique bloodlines as well.

Whenever I go to research ball python morphs I get overwhelmed with all the variations of names used... gets confusing. Boa morphs seem to be more straight forward thus far. Naming every bloodline/mutation combo something new seems like a step towards mucking it up to me.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

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What leads you to believe it is a single gene mutation and not polygenic?

Obviously its not recessive so...

I'm sure Frank has done orangasm to orangasm, which if it were dominant, would produce homozygous (double allele) "orangasms"... The only reason to get the idea that it were single gene is if multiple of these F2's started throwing whole litters of the orange phenotype. I havent seen any other reason to believe the coloration is inherited any differently than that of high color pastel lines.
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

because we have not yet had this kind of circumstance arise. With the ever increasing number of morphs, and Selectively Bred Bloodlines of existing morphs, there needs to be unique distinctions.

I expect Boas will get confusing soon as well.

Also, Many of Rich's female's names are used. Aby Salmon, PC Salmon, etc. Why shouldn't this difference be used in the Sunglow form.

We have "Boo" Ghosts. This was from a Hypo's name. We have Lipstick sunglows, because of the Hypo (although here the Sunglow was named before the Hypo).
Why not Orangasm Sunlow, or Aby Sunglow?

In the case of useing Moonglow for Orangasm Hypo Snows, it just gives a MORE unique name to SIGNIFY bloodline.

was followed by the actual trait PC "Salmon" Aby "Salmon Boo "Ghost" lipstick "sunglow". Those are all BLOODLINES not inheritable TRAITS. Orangasm is not a BLOODLINE it is a TRAIT. Take the time a call frank so he can tell you for himself what I just told you. I'll say it again how could you possibly tell if Marks animal inherited the Orangasm TRAIT with out breeding it??? IT IS WHITE AS SNOW!!!

-Greg Reinert-

Frank has done A LOT of work with the Orangasm. So what ever he says about it, I will take to heart. I am not much into Hypos in general, so I haven't really followed things or talked to him about it.

Although now that you mention that point, it makes sense.

Hey, if Moonglow isn't the name for the Hypo Snow, I'll name my own that. (A pet name, like my dog Dixie, NOT call the ones I produce that.)

As I think about all this discussion over a name. We always refer to what the name of the Hypo Snow will be. Why not just leave it as Hypo Snow? This way we do not create ANY new name. Just a direct combination of what it is.

Just because this animal was produced in an Orangasm breeding does not make it Orangasm as the Anery hides the Orangasm this animal must be proven first. We produced the first Orangasm Sunglows last season along side a colorful Sunglow but she is not Orangasm so just like Pastels, Lipsticks or Corals they either are or they're not.So as Greg made reference to in a seperate thread above. So please don't call or label something that you are not sure it is. As far as this name battle I think that Orangasm, Pastel, Lipstick, Bubble gum and Coral are all very similar but we have all these names to deal with. In my opinion though Justin produced the first example of this combo live or dead should not matter it is what it is. Thanks for reading and good luck to all Scott Bradley "Mid Atlantic Morphs"

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I didn't say it was Orangasm, just that that was the bloodline it was related to. The same Bloodline Orangasms came from.

Orangasm does have to be proved in this Hypo Snow.

Also, I agree Justin produced the first one, dead or alive. My main reason for making these posts is to throw ideas out there. In my engineering class we are told to put in as many ideas as possible, no matter how rediculous. This way you can take a little from each and come up with a great solution.

As I said in response to Greg's post. We are dicussing what to name the Hypo Snow. Why come up with a new name, just call it a Hypo Snow.

refereed to as hypo bloodline or the same in a motley litter.

All I am saying is is that there is no Orangasm bloodline like Stripeline in the Stripeline all the babies in the litter are effected. Orangasm is what it is just like there is not a Motley bloodline they are Motley's or they are not.

I do agree with you about suggestions I was not attacking you just clarifying Orangasm for you.

Also Bill Kirby produced the first Ghost Boa but the name was already being used before it was produced just like this situation Snoglow has been used for a long time just my opinion

are named after corn snake morphs. Why, because they look similar and the corn snakes were produced first. Not to mention Corn Snakes are known by most.

I just got off the phone with Sean from EBN. He said that the Hypo Snow Corn Snakes were only called Hypo Snows.

Bill got the Ghost name from the existing Corn Snake Hypo Anery. The same goes with Pete's first Snow, and Rich/Tracy's first Sunglow.
I am begining to think we ought to just call it a Hypo Snow.

To some extent... basicly because I would rather see things kept simple.

Call it any combination: SnowGhost ... SnowGlow ... HypoSnow ...etc

If there is a bloodline tied to it, such as Orangasm, call it an orangasm bloodline snowglow (or whatever hypo snow name) ... if it proves out to throw the orangasm phenotype call it an orangasm snowglow (or whatever hypo snow name). Its that simple. I dont think we need new names for every bloodline/mutation combo...
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Take Care,

-Ryan Homsey

www.topnotchboas.com

Albino Ghost, Hypo Snow, or Anery Sunglow all also make sense, I think Hypo Snow is best since it looks like a Snow (mostly).

... for that reason. It seems that the naming process is quick and simple.

Chris, I wanted to address one thing that is not really all that pertinent to this situation but the Hypo x Amelanistic animal is not actually a "Sunglow." For many years, a lot of people were confused about this. A Hypo Amel corn appears almost identical to an Amel because a Hypo Corn can still have the same pattern as a Normal but it is occupied by a charcoal gray-lavender color instead of black. When the animal becomes an Amelanistic, this area is an off white color so it still appears to be a standard Amel, maybe a little bit brighter and cleaner.

A Sunglow is a selectively bred Amel, which was bred generation after generation thus reducing the area of the pattern that was occupied by white. I have Amels that come out as spitting images of Sunglows and Sunglows that would NEVER pass as such.

Like I said... not a big deal but I don't want you, Chris, or anyone reading this thread not having all the facts.

Take care...
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Sean Bradley
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