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it is tiny, but I suppose the three ph crix I gave him made their way thru!

his urates are cream colored and the solid is dark brown so that is [bleep]ood. I don't know if I mentioned that Sunday he had a piece of poop sort of stuck to his vent which I eventually moistened eno[bleep]h with a q-tip and removed. Both that one and this one is VERY dry. Wrinkled like a raisin! I would assume this is from dehydration? His eyes aren't sunken (nor were Kaiya's or Makeda's) and I have him in a tiny container with moist towel[bleep]. Any other reasons why he'd have a hard time poop[bleep] and why so dry?

thanks, lele

Take the fresh poop to the vet and get it checked for anything and everything. Mention to the vet that you'd specifically like to check for coccidia. I really want to know if coccidia is the issue in these pygmies.

-Brock

Brock, I thought about doing that but it was this evening so I couldn't get it there until tomorrow - and I can't then. The vet is quite distance from me and I have been neglecting work and school for days. As he gets better, which we hope, I will get a fecal done on him at some point.

lele

>>Take the fresh poop to the vet and get it checked for anything and everything. Mention to the vet that you'd specifically like to check for coccidia. I really want to know if coccidia is the issue in these pygmies.
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>>-Brock

Take the fresh poop to the vet and get it checked for anything and everything. Mention to the vet that you'd specifically like to check for coccidia. I really want to know if coccidia is the issue in these pygmies.

-Brock

It doesn't exactly mean your chameleon is dehydrated. See, chameleons only have one bowel and it is called the "big bowel" and when a chameleon is not hydrated your chameleon cannot poop. So when you give them a half an hour spray three times a day, your chameleon can poop regulary, but the sunken in eyes are no doubt a sign on dehdration, so just start spraying your chameleon three times a day with a good mist and you will not have to worry about the poop problem or the sunken in eyes, but if they don't get any better, I would take them to the vet.

Lele read this article it might have answers about why he is having a hard time pooping.

www.chameleonjournals.com/vet/vetcare.cgi?show=6.0_Vitamin_D3_and_Calcium

go down to where it says here's the meat and potatoes folks
and read from there down.

Thanks! Actually I did read the whole thing I think what is most confusing is truly not knowing if it is too much or too little. Liddy and I have gone over this a few times and one of my questions is: after putting dusted crix or ff in the tank and they don't eat them right away how much of the dust is actaully removed -either from the humidity and/or the feeder cleaning themselves - which they do. Yes, I may have been doing it too frequently in the beginning but once I cut back and maybe the dust didn't stay on how much were they really getting?

My biggest concern in that article was where he discusses a common scenario and says "... When she started becoming depressed I started giving her Neocalglucon and later my vet gave me Baytril". I am giving Bart the neo-cal as strongly suggested by Liddy. What if it IS oversupplementation and I am just exacerbating the problem?? See my confusion? And short of knowing exactly how much of the supplement they were getting how can we know?

The crix were well gutloaded but the ff - hard to do. I know in the future one way or the other (provided Bart makes it and I get him a girlfriend - or two) I will depend more on gutloading thatn supplements. Ugh! This is hard...

lele

but with your little ones I know that is not feasible.
I can tell you from my experience and it may give some clues about your little guy.
I thought the dust must come off the feeders too but whenever I have had the problem of muscular weakness plus constipation plus lack of appetite plus dehydration in a cham that I watered and fed and suplemented regularly, when they actually tested the blood the calcium levels were actually high.
Maybe you can show this article to your vet and ask his/her opinion on it.
Sorry I confused you more but I worried when I heard about the liquid calcium and it triggered my memory about this article.
Don't get me wrong I keep a little bottle of it around and it is very good when needed. I use it for egg laying female geckos, chams, ect.

When you dust your crickets, try hand feeding the crickets to your chameleon three times a week. An oversupplementation is where you put to much calcium for your chameleon and this can cause some sort of prolapse to your chameleon. How you can tell how much your giving them is by when you dust them three times a week. You should dust five crickets three times week.

Hi Ethan, thanks for your advice, but I have a leaf cham that is 1" long and weighs about 1/2 gram. We are trying to determine if the problem even is nutritional. If you go back thru my posts of the last week or so you'll see the problems I have been srtuggling with. One of my chams died last Friday after two weeks of struggling but minimal intervention as we thought maybe she was gravid and other than being sluggish seemed OK. A secong died on Sunday from aspiration when getting meds for a foot problem. But thanks

lele

>>When you dust your crickets, try hand feeding the crickets to your chameleon three times a week. An oversupplementation is where you put to much calcium for your chameleon and this can cause some sort of prolapse to your chameleon. How you can tell how much your giving them is by when you dust them three times a week. You should dust five crickets three times week.