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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I like what Fl might do to regulate them. At least they arent freaking out and banning them.
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Thank you,
Dave

Feel sorry for breeders of burmese,and retics in NY... or should I say "former" breeders
MHO
A.
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"There is a fine line between a hobby and mental illness"
COLD BLOOD.........WARM HEART

I went to the meeting in Gainesville a couple of weeks ago. It was attended by Fish and Game people, conservationists, breeders, a zoo person, and Poppell (the person proposing the bill) made a short appearance too. Although the proposed law will start with a $100 annual permit for the "big" problems (the biggest pythons and also Nile monitor lizards), the last thing that Poppell said as he left the room was something like "this will be a great start and we can add on later". Since almost any species COULD potentially be invasive, I see this as a "foot in the door".

We may eventually have to buy a $100 permit for BPs, leopard geckos, or pretty much anything that could possibly be invasive if it escaped. That fee wouldn't stop the diehard keeper / breeder, but would pretty much nip beginning herpers in the bud before they ever get started. A great way for the humaniacs to slowly turn up the heat on our hobby so that we won't notice that we are being boiled alive, until it is too late.

I agree Kathy
I've lived in floridaaaa.All my life and have seen our biologist release more exotic species to our state that causes more problems and money to eradiate than the pet trade.They don't show all the gators that eat the burms on the news I did see one report on it once.I work in restoration of wetlands so i know the impact and money spent .Paper trees /fla.holly /australian pines.Biologist brouht those in.grass carp eating our wetlands supposed to be sterile now we know they are breeding oops.I could go on But The real issue is the destruction of habitat by humans.Thats what is killing our native animals .I see more road kills otters bobcats owls gators indago you name it .If there is another meeting on this ban or a place to contact and disagree please email me and let me know.For all of you that attend the daytona show this ban affects you too.Would suck if you could not bring burms retics monitors to show.The average person is not going to go threw the hassle of getting a permit.Thats one more person that could be a reptile lover you all know you can't just have one.
Thanks Mike

Excellent post ...
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gail

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The sad part is that we are doing it to ourselves. Not enough education or responsibility IMHO.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I personally wish the government would stick to doing what they are supposed to do.

But irresponsible herpers are giving legislators reasons to propose and pass into law bills that will hurt all the hobbiests and small time breeders. If not now, it does give them a foot in the door, and give them a chance and they will eventually legislate us all out of our animals.

And maybe the big breeders will be able to afford the permit fees, but without any little guys to sell to, they will have no one to sell to but each other ... which could eventually lead to self implosion ...
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gail

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>>I personally wish the government would stick to doing what they are supposed to do.

Screwing things up? I agree.

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>>But irresponsible herpers are giving legislators reasons to

That and there are more that fear reptiles than like them. We do not have the numbers so we must be responsible, tread lightly and police ourselves. This applies to buyers and more importantly IMHO, sellers.

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>>And maybe the big breeders will be able to afford the permit fees, but without any little guys to sell to, they will have no one to sell to but each other ... which could eventually lead to self implosion ...

Oh yeah. Not a good thing.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

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>>Screwing things up? I agree.
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Hahaha .. yeah .. screwing things up and stealing my money out of my pocket

>>That and there are more that fear reptiles than like them. We do not have the numbers so we must be responsible, tread lightly and police ourselves. This applies to buyers and more importantly IMHO, sellers.
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If only people would..

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gail

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You've hit the nail on the head ... thank you
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gail

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I'm not altogether familiar with Burmese - are hatchlings really only an inch long?
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.4 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.0 Lizards of unknown origin

Tosha-

No. Newly hatched burms are close to two feet in length. Another example of "accuracy in journalism" lol.....

Brad Chambers

I like this type of legislation better than what a lot of states are doing. Some states just want to ban all exotics. Here in Indiana, it is illegal to buy, sell, or trade; any constricting snake over 10 feet, any venomous reptile, any lizard over 7 feet, any crocodilian over 6 feet, and any reptile or amphibian native to Indiana. Some mutations are exempt from native species law as long as they are captive born. For example, you could buy an albino bull snake in Indiana, but not a het.

Anyway I Think some of these laws are stupid. If I ever wanted to move to another state, I would have to check the laws before I did.

Tom Muzek

I myself am feeling the presure of new laws, Here in CT they are trying to band all sales of any constrictor over 6' as well as multiple lizard species including chameleons?????? I don't understand that one. I am in the process on becoming state permited and licensed because I am already an owner of many large snakes. If anyone has a snake that they do not want they can call me and I can find it a home most likely in the same state that they are in. I lived in Florida for a while and have gone out on many calls of lose snakes and the scary thing is that some were extreamly venomus. Sorry for the long post. Thanks Erick
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I adopted a green Iguana a few months ago, and the place that I got it from had an adult that was found in a city park!!! Not just a city park, the Houston city park!! I can't imagine someone just going out and letting an adult iggy free.. Much less coming across it during your morning run, that would have scared the crap out of me, haha.

~Johnny

>>lose snakes and the scary thing is that some were extreamly venomus. Sorry for the long post. Thanks Erick

This scares me the most! Any monkey can buy a venomous with ease. Many of these animals would find Florida a very nice place to live. I sometimes have people tell me they saw a snake they have never seen before. When they describe it, it sounds like a non-native venomous so I tell them "no, that can't be right. We don't have those here.". I'm beginning to think twice about that statement.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I sometimes have people tell me they saw a snake they have never seen before. When they describe it, it sounds like a non-native venomous so I tell them "no, that can't be right. We don't have those here.". I'm beginning to think twice about that statement.

It's funny you say that...i heard something similar not to long ago(In NC),and i had the same reaction to it....what a scary thought!
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

I hate it when anyone releases any pet or domestic animal into the wild. Usually it's a case of they don't make it, but the ones who do might just be worse.

My first BP was a escape or a release. Little Man wasn't doing too good when he was found, but is much better now. A few scars from the experience.
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3.3 Normal Ball pythons (Hoss, Little Man, Adam, Helen, and the 2 new girls who gets named when they eat)
0.2 Snow corns (Legolas, Eurydice)
1.0 Amel het charcoal (Orlando)
1.0 Hypo het anery het Amel
0.1 Amel het Stripe
0.1 Normal Cal King snake (Sidhe which sounds exactly like "she"
0.0.1 GTP (Kissy the Red)
1.1 Haitian Boa (Enkil and Akasha)

And bunches of furry pets

I live here in florida, and i think this whole thing sucks!
Ive noticed last several days, reports on pythons in the wild down here.
The media blows things so far out of proportion.
I saw a thing on Today with Katie Curic and on CNN , local news, even one of my florida fishing mags.
I am so sick of taxes, gas prices, nosey people, its a good thing I have some awsome snakes, a beutiful 2 year old son and the best wife in the world who puts up with my snakes!

I guess al us snake folk can do down here, is write our pukeiticains and tell them how we feel.

Rock on!

Mike