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Quarantine cage and new friend

wftright Apr 13, 2006 12:36 AM

Well, it's been quite a week here. I think some of you are aware of the bill in Louisiana that would ban the importation or possession of an "non-indigenous constrictor." If not, the best place to read about it is on the LGCHS forum here at KS.com or in the open discussion forum. The moderators are already mad at me for expressing my disgust with this issue in regular forums.

The relevence of mentioning the subject again is that the bill allows people to get a permit to keep animals if they can prove previous ownership. If this thing passes, I may never be able to add to my collection, so I've been thinking all week about getting another snake.

On Sunday evening, I went to the pet store near my home to talk about the political situation, and they had four new ball pythons. One in particular had beautiful coloring and was a very sweet snake. I've caught a few snakes in my life, but I think this girl (or maybe guy) caught me. The first price that I thought they had on her was a bit high, but I was leaning towards paying the price anyway. When I visited the store today, I learned that they had been confused and the price was much lower. My resistance crumbled, and I came home with a new ball python.

If there was a betting pool on when I'd break down and get my second ball python, whoever had five to six p.m. Central Daylight Time on April 12, 2006 is the winner. I think havic's signature line about ball pythons being like potato chips in that we can't have just one is proving stronger than mine about having just a few. However, I still believe that I can keep three snakes (two balls and a king) just as happy as I could keep two of them.

Anyway, I have quarantine cage set up in another room and the new one in the cage. I'm copying some comments that I posted about the cage in the photo gallery. If you have thoughts, please let me know.


I bought another ball python today, and I've set up a new cage. The new cage will be in a separate room from my other snakes as is usual for quarantine practice. I'm also not going to use "natural" bedding until I'm pretty comfortable with her/his health status. The basics of this cage are as follows.

I have two small heat pads on the right side of the cage controlled by a Zoo Med 500R thermostat. I have a Ranco on order, and I'll change thermostats when the Ranco arrives. I taped some newspaper over the glass directly above the heat pads. While this step is not an absolute safety, my new snake will have to work pretty hard to put her belly against the hot glass. I think that it would be harder for her to burn herself on newspaper than on glass because of different heat transfer properties. I have been trying to line out the cage for several days. I changed my setup this evening, so there will be some remaining fluctuations, but I'm hoping to keep her warm side temperature around 90 F.

The cool side hide and the water dish are pretty typical. The water dish is just a little dish that I bought at Big Lots for about a dollar or two. The hide is available from many reptile supply houses and is a simple, square hide.

The unique feature of this cage is the humidity box. I don't want to put anything organic like moss into the cage at first, but I wanted something that would hold a little humidity. I've bought a little container and filled it with Easter eggs. I probably need to get more eggs for the container. I filled the bottom of the container with water, and I hope that water vapor evaporating from the bottom will condense on the Easter eggs and fall back into the bottom. If so, the humidity at the bottom of this container under the eggs will be fairly high. I don't know whether a snake would be comfortable burrowing in a bunch of plastic eggs. If she (or he) is, then there's a good place to go to get more humidity. If she doesn't like the eggs, I'll find another medium to put in the box.

I put up the background around the back and one side of the cage to give my snake a little more privacy. I've heard that ball pythons like that covering, and my other ball python seems to like her cage this way.

After I put the cover over the aquarium and secured it, I put a newspaper over the screen. I'll make something better at another time, but I wanted to put something over the screen to reduce the loss of heat and humidity. The newspaper doesn't completely cover the screen, so air flow is still available.

The quick stats on the new one are a length of about 24 to 26 inches and a weight of 435 grams. She's in her warm side hide right now, but has already shoved the thermostat probe and the digital thermometer probe out from under the hide. I like controlling for conditions in the hide, so I'm going to have to find another way get a probe under there.

When I first put her in the cage, I didn't have it all set as I have now, and she didn't hide. After I did some setup, she went into the hide. She's there now.

Thanks,

Bill

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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

Replies (10)

jarskie Apr 13, 2006 01:09 AM

and good luck! Let me know how it works with the easter eggs, seems like quite the idea you have there. I have never had a problem with humidity here in Texas, but if I ever move, I will have to remember that.

~Johnny

wftright Apr 13, 2006 05:36 PM

Thanks, You'd think that I wouldn't have a humidity problem here in Louisiana, but my air conditioner tends to dry the air in my house quite a bit. Furthermore, any kind of heating in a small space will lower the humidity around that space. Someday, I'd like to design a custom cage with artificial devices to increase humidity.

The Easter egg experiment will be fun. I'll check them later and throughout the next few weeks to see whether I have success. Mostly, I'd like to see whether she goes into the eggs.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

havic Apr 13, 2006 01:17 AM

Congrats Bill we are glad you finally broke down and got the ball of your dreams. He/she is beautiful. And by the way I (Chrissy) won the pool Brian was off by a few hours LOL. J/K.
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1.2.0 ball python (aragorn, arwen,`eowyn)
1.0.0 100% het pied (frodo)
1.0.0 columbian boa (squiggles)
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
0.1.0 corn snake (baby)
0.0.2 whites tree frog (trevor, kirmet)
0.0.5 pacific green tree frogs
3.2.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy
"snakes are kind of like potato chips, you cant have just one"

wftright Apr 13, 2006 05:39 PM

LOL Thank you

Yep, I'm happy with this little one. She has a few spots on her skin, but I'm sure she'll be fine in the long run.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

gailt Apr 13, 2006 10:44 AM

Great looking ball python and I love your set up. The Easter eggs really make it


Snakebytes

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gail

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wftright Apr 13, 2006 05:41 PM

Thanks,

I like the look of the Easter eggs. I would have been happy with any kind of little colored balls, and I'll be happier if I've given her something that she can actually use. I like "busy" looking setups to give my little ones more places to hide. I'm hoping that if she feels hidden for the next few days to a week that she'll relax enough to eat for me.

All the best,

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

RoyalVariations- Apr 13, 2006 01:57 PM

I like that you said “new friend”. Very nice and good luck with your collection.

Have a nice Holiday.

Sincerely, Kyle
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Kyle J. Stevens
Royal Variations Ltd.

Many a false step is made from standing still.

wftright Apr 13, 2006 05:44 PM

Thanks for the comment. Yep, I think of them as my little friends. I hope I can do right for them.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

toshamc Apr 13, 2006 03:32 PM

but I knew you would.

Congrats!
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

6.34.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi)
0.1.0 Bredls Python (Smurfette)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.4 frogs rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.0 Lizards of unknown origin

wftright Apr 13, 2006 06:06 PM

LOL Thanks

I don't know whether you mean it took me longer to decide to get a second ball python in general or whether you thought that this one would reel me in quicker. In either case, it's funny. I really believed that my next snake would be a kingsnake, but Katrina has been a great "lap snake" over the past few weeks. As she gets bigger, she'll be better able to just hang out with me, and that factor is making me happier with ball pythons.

I tend to be pretty methodical about things. The final factor that kept me from taking this one home Sunday night was that I wasn't sure whether my spare cage would work. I didn't know whether the UTH would work or whether I could control the temperature if it did work. I came home, put the cage in my guest bedroom on a piece of insulation, and plugged in the UTH. Within a few hours, the paper over the UTH was 120°F. I was awfully glad that I hadn't brought her home.

I spent the next few days trying to get the cage to give me some kind of temperature profile that seemed acceptable. The frustrating thing is that I ordered two extra thermostats a few weeks ago in case I ever wanted another snake. I had asked Matt to wait a week to ship them so that they wouldn't arrive when I was at fire school. There was a shipping problem, and I've been hoping all week that they would arrive so that I could have her in a cage with a better thermostat.

This girl has already shown an independent personality. Katrina generally tolerates my leaving a digital thermometer probe in her favorite hide. Occasionally, she pushes it out, but most of the time I know the temperature in the air right next to her body. My new one refuses to share a hide with either a thermometer probe or a thermostat probe. In fact, she's pushed both of them out of the hide and pushed the hide against the egg basket so that the entrance is covered. I can barely see any part of her body, and I'm constantly adjusting the thermostat to try to keep the paper surface from getting too hot. In any case, I'm hoping that she's happy with this hide and will be ready to eat some time next week. The good news is that she won't have to see me when I change the water.

I'm really looking forward to having this one sexed. Then I can start trying to find a name.

Thanks,

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

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