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Communal Chams? Is there such a thing?

beardiedude Apr 14, 2006 07:38 PM

Are there any chameleon(s) that can be kept in pairs/trios all year round? Im really curious because i would like to build a HUGE and attractive cage that would house a breeding colony of some sorta cham.....I have the frame built and i'll post pics tommorow...

Post any and all ideas.....
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Eric

I fight for the unconventional
My right, and its unconditional
I can only, be as real as i can
The disadvantage is
I never knew the plan
This isnt the way just to be a martyr
I cant, walk alone any longer
I fight, for the ones that cant fight
And if I lose, at least I tried....
(Slipknot:Pulse of the Maggots)

Replies (7)

WillHayward Apr 14, 2006 09:34 PM

Werner's Chameleon.

Eve loved them, so will you.
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CANADIAN CHAMELEONS

beardiedude Apr 14, 2006 09:39 PM

Hey Eve apparently Wereners chams are communal? Anyways could you fill me in on their care (details please). I know for sure im gonna be buyin form Nick Mole...

Any other ideas cham keepers?
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Eric

I fight for the unconventional
My right, and its unconditional
I can only, be as real as i can
The disadvantage is
I never knew the plan
This isnt the way just to be a martyr
I cant, walk alone any longer
I fight, for the ones that cant fight
And if I lose, at least I tried....
(Slipknot:Pulse of the Maggots)

eric adrignola Apr 14, 2006 10:17 PM

Most chameleons have extensive social behavior, but their personal space and territories are so large, it's not feasible to reproduce in anythign but HUGE cages.

The ones that do stay closer together are usually montane species, that livei n dense forests. They tend to tolerate proximity better.

The most social chameleons seem to be melleri - ask Kristina. Definatly NOT easy to keep, for their size, let alone the other reasons.

They have very complex methods of communicating, and seem to live in groups in nature. sometimes a dozen or so traveling through the trees together, usually only a few feet apart. Really cool stuf I hope to study in the wild soon...

On a related note. Most of these species like HUIGH humidity - somethign you're not going to replicate in Socal. What size cage are you talking?

MicheleSmith Apr 14, 2006 10:29 PM

yeah Ive never had them but i have heard werners are great chams, and they are also live bearers.

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-Jen-

MicheleSmith Apr 14, 2006 10:37 PM

Sorry, this message is supposed to be directed to Jen in particular. Copied and Pasted the wrong thing. She's been emailing me, and was curious as to which other species of chams can be kept together besides Werner's, and I thought it would be good to add to this thread.

Eric Dude () I would suggest Werner's to you, but I think Eve is the one that has delt with them the most, so she could give you the reccomendation.

Michele

beardiedude Apr 15, 2006 10:23 AM

I have talked to many people and it seems that no chameleon can ever be able to be kept together without some sort of consequences. Even the mellers chameleons seem to have their little bickering fights.

Also, no matter how hard a female tries to hide, the male will follow her and trie to mate VERY frequently.

I have given up on this idea becasue i do not want to cause any strss or harm to these beautiful animals.....

Thanks for all of your hlep though.....
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Eric

I fight for the unconventional
My right, and its unconditional
I can only, be as real as i can
The disadvantage is
I never knew the plan
This isnt the way just to be a martyr
I cant, walk alone any longer
I fight, for the ones that cant fight
And if I lose, at least I tried....
(Slipknot:Pulse of the Maggots)

studiocham Apr 15, 2006 01:14 PM

>>I have talked to many people and it seems that no chameleon can ever be able to be kept together without some sort of consequences. Even the mellers chameleons seem to have their little bickering fights.
>>

Like any animal, they are individuals and may arbitrarily decide they dislike each other. I was told to house my R. brevicaudatus communally when I had them, but I had a male who stressed living in a densely planted enclosure with a single, aggressive female. I had to house him alone to keep him happy, and introduce/remove him for breeding. Tolerant species are not solely comprised of tolerant individuals. The key is being observant, knowing your animals (being able to tell when they are most stress-free, be it in pairs, trios, or singly), and then acting on it immediately. Not tomorrow, not when you get home, not when the new cage arrives, but NOW.

As for melleri, I have been told (no solid data) that those collected from different locales will fight on sight. Mates and clutchmates are another story, and even they have their individual preferences. They are such a sensitive species that a bad personality mix is fatal, either from direct conflict injury or a stress-related cause later. Melleri or any cham species in cohabitation are not for hobbyists just starting out. Both take a lot of attention and problem-solving from experience, and to be completely safe, the keeper needs to be present while the chams are active all day.

>>I have given up on this idea becasue i do not want to cause any strss or harm to these beautiful animals.....
>>

This is for the best, and the best reason.

Best of luck with the new cham you choose,
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Kristina Francis

www.melleridiscovery.com

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