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I purchased a D. azureus, and a D. tinctorius cobalt blue both similar in size from the same breeder about 3 weeks ago.

I seem to be having problems with the azureus. He's eating pretty good, but he seems to be loosing weight. The cobalt blue grew about twice as big as him, and I have seperated them to different tanks. I have the azureus in a 10 gallon false bottom, setup with the humidity from about 80-100% and the temp at about 68-70. I've raised it to about 72-74 degrees. He still seems to be loosing weight and I'm very afraid he might die. He is active thought so I'm not sure what the problem is. I also lowered my humidity a bit to about 70-80%

I'm feeding both of them fruit flies from Ed's Fly Meat about once a a day dusted most of the time with Rep-cal and Herptivite.

The cobalt is in a 49 bowfront with a false bottom as well, seems to be hiding alot but I guess he's still getting used to it.

Attached are some pictures with size refference to both of them, taken about a week ago. The azureus started to look skinny a little before that picture.

Thanks for any help and for your time

-Lauren

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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

What are you feeding them? They appear to be froglets from your coin comparisons. If your azureus is eating well, just make sure the fruit flies or pinheads, whatever you are feeding are dusted with the recommended vitamins. Azureus in particular, like springtails, as well. While they are among our largest darts as adults, they seem to prefer smaller prey, and in the wild, their main diet appears to be springtails. They still eat fruit flies, however, so aren't going to starve to death if you don't have springtails. I wouldn't lower the humidity. 80 to 100% is where you want it. (Some people will lower humidity for a spell and then increase it to induce breeding in some species, but this is not a concernhere.) If the frog is eating and active, I don't think you have a problem. It doesn't appear skinny to me.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

Sorry, I had a brain fart when I asked what you were feeding them, which you had already told us. This is exactly the right stuff as close as you can get.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

Well that picture is from right when he started getting skinny, it seems to have gotten worse. You can see his little hips really bad and he doesn't have that chubby juvenile look he had a few weeks ago. I did put some moss in there that was collected from a place where I am 100 percent sure of no pesticides or fertalizer were ever used. I don't know if there could be something with the moss or what....its very strange
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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

If this problem was related to pesticides or what not, your frog would already be dead. No worries there I think. You have to keep in mind that each frog grows at their own rate, females will grow bigger than males too. (you probably already know that eh?) I agree that he doesn't look skinny in that pic, so maybe its time for another pic?
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

You might contact a herp veterinarian and either bring or send in a fecal sample to check for parasites. While most amphibians can live a healthy life with a low intestinal parasite load that their immune systems are able to control, often when a frog is stressed from shipping handling, or other reasons, their immune systems fail to control it adequately, and they might need to be treated.
ARAV

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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

Sorry, I pushed the send button too soon on the above post. The link ARAV will take you to the site, which if you click on "members" will give you a list of herp veterinarians to help find one in your area.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

I actually work at a vets office. My Dr. sees exotics, but she doesn't see frogs (*sigh*) I have done a fecal on these guys, they were negative for any intestinal parasite, however its kind of hard to get a very fresh sample from them. I'll continue doing them until I'm sure thet don't have anything....
Thank you tho I would have suggested that ;P
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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

While we are on this just out of curiosity... if the frogs are diagnosed with some sort of parasite... are they treated by dusting the food items, injecting the food items or injecting the frogs with a wormer or what?

By the way: BEAUTIFUL TANK

Theres a bunch of different ways of administering de-wormer. It depends on the parasite. Most of them you stated are used. As far as dart frogs are concerened (being such little guys) I'm not sure.
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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

I've tried to get advice from everyone, he's doing much worse. I have updated pics I took just tonight. You can actually see his hip bones sticking out. My other guy is being a real pig and its nice and chuncky, but now I pour the fruit flies into the Auzureus's tank and its like he doesn't see them. I removed the live moss tonight just in case, since this all seemed to occur when it was placed in there. I'm so afraid he's not gonna make it. I thought he wasdead today when I came home by the way he looked.

Please Help.

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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

I know these pics really don't show the fact he's really skinny, but I swear he is. If you've ever had a frog get skinny on you, you'd understand- he looks like a little skeleton. I've had a hard time getting pics form the side of the tank but i'll keep trying. *sigh*
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4 Whites Treefrogs (Gleep, Gloop, Gazoo, and Mrs. Chubs)
1 Bearded Dragons (Butterfinger)
1 Mali Uromastyx (Groucho)
1 Nile Monitor (Starbuck)
1 Dendobates Azureus (BoBo)
1 Dendrobates Tinctorius (Stan, the man)
1 Argentine Horned Frogs (Mcfatfat)
1 Togo Starburst
1 Blue Cobalt
1 Rosehair
1 African Spitting Scorpion
1 Betta Splendins
1 Koi (mr. winkie)
1 Spectacled Amazon (Indiana Jones)
2 Button Quail (Bob, Bob)
3 WOW char (they are pets too.)
Even us girls can like slimey scaley and squishy things.

I can see this now. He is indeed pretty skinny. Other than the possible parasites I mentioned above, which would require a vet check and medication, I can't think of much else. You should probably separate him back into a nursery tank, feed him separately to see if that helps. Are you sure you have a pair of male and female? There's a chance he may be intimidated by the other frog, even if you may not notice any positive aggression going on.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

Well that was a stupid post I made. I had forgotten you had only one azureus and he was in a separate habitat already. However, you might put him back into a smaller nursery tank anyway, and virtually surround him with food. There may have been some sort of internal injury or un-obvious physical trauma in the past that is affecting his digestion. But do check the parasite possibility, as well. That seems to be the most likely cause, so far. Have you contacted the breeder at all? Reliable, honest breeders can usually make suggestions, as well.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
5 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris