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*Answer for ghackney. . .

SuppleReptiles Apr 16, 2006 06:26 PM

I am DEFINITELY not an expert on this, but I will give it a shot.

The reason for this is called the founder effect. This is when random changes in the gene pool that occurs in a new, small colony…genetic makeup of individuals can have a disproportionate influence on future gene pool. Basically what you are doing is taking genetic variation out of the gene pool. Healthy population have a large percentage of variation (if I remember right 12-30%). When you start with a small number the animals, the variation drops. You will see genes, that where almost nonexistent in large populations (because the had a negative effect), show up more often.

This is a common problem in endangered animals. Cheetahs suffered a bottleneck at the last ice age… only 3 populations exist today and they are all endangered and have low variability (.04% to 1.4% heterozygosis of alleles for individuals).

Northern Elephant seals reduced to 20 individuals in 1890’s… protected and now over 30,000 individuals…BUT out of 24 genes tested… no variation… single allele for each gene. This is a major problem.

It can also happen to humans, according to wikipidea..."For example, the Amish populations in the United States, which have grown from a very few founders but have not recruited newcomers, and tend to marry within the community, exhibit founder effects. Though still rare absolutely, phenomena such as polydactyl (extra fingers and toes, a symptom of Ellis-van Creveld syndrome) are more common in Amish communities than in the US population at large."

When you start a colony with a few boas, and the more inbreed they get the less variability. You will see genes that didn't have an effect on large populations pop up because they were naturally breed out (genetic drift). The animals will be more susceptible to disease, illness, and are less likely to reproduce.

I am not AT ALL against morphs. There are some awesome animals out there. But, when a new morph does pop up, I feel that it is the moral obligation of that individual to make sure the animals are outbreed as much as possible, and not to inbreed the hell out of them for the quick buck.

The bad thing is this is only going to get worse, as people try to produce animals with the most traits, and try to beat everyone else to it. That is not the answer...

Anyways, hopefully I will not get burned for this LOL. I just thought I would try to share more of a SCIENTIFIC approach to why boas such as snows have the potential to show more problems.

Search the net for founder/bottleneck effect and I a sure you will find tons more info out there.

-Kemper

Replies (9)

JOEP123 Apr 16, 2006 06:39 PM

I am totally with you.
I think some morph are beautiful, but once the become adults I like my locales waaaay better. But because they are less money for the most part, people do not think much of them (locales).
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Joel Pretz

SuppleReptiles Apr 16, 2006 07:02 PM

I love locales, but I don't want to start a locale-morph arguement. The same thing happens with locale animals, you only bring a couple of a locale in and breed them. Then a generation or two down the road you have no unrelated animals to breed them to. What do you do? Keep the bloodline pure and inbreed, or outbreed with other locales????

JOEP123 Apr 16, 2006 07:21 PM

THAT IS A THOUGH QUESTION WITH LOCALES.
Not so much with morph, I do not think.
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Joel Pretz

ghackney Apr 16, 2006 10:27 PM

I tend to think it genetic myself. Thanks, nice answer.

JOEP123 Apr 16, 2006 10:54 PM


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Joel Pretz

Rainshadow Apr 17, 2006 02:27 AM

Couple of minor contentions,but all in all,as I read it I had to say *BINGO*! I agree.
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SuppleReptiles Apr 17, 2006 05:15 PM

How is everthing going at the ranch? I can't wait to see what killers you produce this year!

obz Apr 17, 2006 10:03 AM

Catagoricly I never agree with anyone 100%, but yer damn close.

So have you like totally thrown in the towel when it comes to taking and posting pics Mr Ruth?
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SuppleReptiles Apr 17, 2006 05:16 PM

Want to come down here and hold the snakes down while I take pics? I need an assistant I tell ya!

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