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We tend to compare frogs and toads to how our bodies become compromised when we become fat? Do frogs and toads get cordinary heart disease and diabete like we do when we become overweight? Does it hurt them to be just a little fat? Would you think that, it would help them to insulate their body since they don't wear clothes and have furs and feathers like birds and mammals. Granted that severe obesity can cause them to have lipids build up on there eyes and get kidney faliures which will ultimately leads to death. And do you think that fish and pinkies are good for them? I wouldn't think so because, from what I've read about carnivorous animals is that they eat raw meat and thus, they're kidneys have to work very hard. In the end, they die from kidney failure reaching old age. So I tend to think that main staple of varieties of invertabrates would be much healthier, since it's easier on the kidneys. Maybe I would give it on rare occassion. What do you all think?

This is my baby toad...by the way.

And see you don't even know about this stuff, you come and try to tell me that fish are bad and you don't know. By the way, mice are bad for all amphibians, it causes lipid(fat) buildups around the eyes which leads to blindness.

Both mice and fish are full of lipids that frogs are not properly adapted to digest. They will as a result become obese and go blind or undergo organ failure due to their unhealthy condition. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Who are you who can say it's ok to live through me? Alice In Chains

Where is your information coming from that fish cause frogs problems?

Bartlett. As well, try contacting Colchicine as there was research or findings dug up. Andy
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Who are you who can say it's ok to live through me? Alice In Chains

As well, it was mentioned a while back by Mark that frogs could actually overdose on calcium. Goldfish are already high on calcium without their food, which is VERY high in calcium as well. As for the fats, not all fats can be metabolized by certain organisms. The lipids that fish and mice contain can not be broken down and are thus stored in various parts of the body. These can build up and...dead frog.
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Who are you who can say it's ok to live through me? Alice In Chains

Can you point me to the literature that it's in? I have 2 books by Bartlett that say fish are good. And i don't use calcium suppliments with the goldfish and feed the fish turtle food.

I don't feed any of my babies fish but is I was just wondering... is there a difference when it comes to feeding Gold Fish to Guppies?

Personally I find gold fish to be filthy creatures... I mean they eat their own waste! I call them garbage fish LOL I've kept both gold fish and guppies and it always seemed that I had to clean out the gold fish tank nearly every day to every other day to keep the water from getting cloudy. And that's with a filter. The guppies didn't need any more than a weekly 20% change. (They all still died on me though LOL fish just wern't my thing I guess)
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Heather

I find it hilarious when someone calls an animal "filthy". Ther is nothing filthier than a human. Let's do an experiment. Let's lock you in a room and provide you with nothing but food and water for a week and see how good that room smells. Even without locking us up we create a huge amount of waste. So much so that most of the places we inhabit on this planet are rendered uninhabitable by any other animal. Besides the things that eat our waste. When I say waste I'm not just talking about what comes out of our lower parts, I mean all the trash and toxins we produce.

Disclaimer: I really have no intention of locking you in a room.
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International Snakes Meetup
International Herpetology Meetup

Oh I agree 100%!!! There is nothing worse than a humab bite! (well, outside of something venomous of course but that only kills you faster) A human bite can cause an very very nasty infection which of course, if not treated can lead to blood poisoning and possible death.

I was just refering to fish though in my last comment. The gold fish I used to keep just seemed to be dirtier than my other fish.
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Heather

Hey I personally think fish are fine for horned frogs because they are high in calcium and protein. Pinkies are too fatty. Also if you think about it, these frogs stay on the forest floor and ambushes any prey they can attack. I would think these big frogs tend to attack fatty mammals as well at times.

According to what I have read, almost all of the wild Ceratophrys diet is composed of other Ceratophrys or frogs. Also remember that these frogs are under the ground for much of the year so they would only really eat during the rains when the othere frogs.
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Andy Maddox
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

Who are you who can say it's ok to live through me? Alice In Chains

Also remember Andy, that these frog don't go back underground until the water is drying up. So that means that flopping fish on the shore are easily accessible as well. But also in the wild they can't be too picky about what they eat or they would starve. So they would get quite the variety down there in South America. Which means mammals, fish, birds, insects, other herps, and anything else that they can get ahold of.