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A sight I wouldn't like to see again

balloonzforu Apr 18, 2006 02:20 AM

I'm posting this to show how bad fluctuations in temps during incbation is. So it may discourage people from building their own incubators when they don't know what they are doing, or constantly opening the incubator and candling their eggs, or anything else they may do to cause the temps to fluctuate. Or even someone attempting Trempers method of incubation.

As some of you know, I had a incubator issue last month and lost a lot of eggs. I've been very concerned about the ones that are still left to hatch as they were only a couple of weeks old and still at the stage where they would be developing and very vulnerable to temp changes, when my incubator malfunctioned.

This one egg had been sweating for most of the day. Tonight I decided to candle the egg to see if it was any good. While scanning the egg I noticed that it was yellow in one end and almost black in the other. The egg was due to hatch already, and way too small to have a live hatchling. I cracked open the egg, what I found was still alive. Not a pleasant sight to see. I've added notes to the photo, the skull deformity, is the brown lump, which was hard as bone. What you see is not the egg membrane around the hatchling that is actual flesh. Interesting enough I did not cut the flesh away from the head, it never grew around the head. This hatchling is as it was when I took it out of the egg. I've since put him/her down, to end it's suffering.

These images are very disturbing.....do not go on if you have a weak stomach.


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Replies (8)

ginebig Apr 18, 2006 06:27 AM

And it was still alive?? That's pretty gruesome.Think I'll buy an incubator and keep a generator handy. That's really very sad. Sorry for your loss.

Quig

balloonzforu Apr 18, 2006 10:50 AM

In this case a generator wouldn't have helped, I never lost power. The thermostat on my hova went out. I've replaced the incubator with a Nature Sprit with a Helix, to insure this never happens again.
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fattiesnleos Apr 18, 2006 03:09 PM

OMG that is awefull!! poor thing, im sorry! what kind of a temp variation was it? i notice that some times my hovas temp changes a degree or two up or down with the weather and i adjust it acordingly. i check it all the time or at least every hour when im home and when i leave i try to keep the room steady. i only candle the eggs in the begining when they are first layed to see if they are fertile. would that kind of temp change do something that terrible?! and you mentioned trempers temp incubation thing that he does, i think he said he heats them up after 20 days would that do the same? i guess it doesnt but you must have to be very carefull. i havent had any problems with my hatchlings yet or my babies who are turning into subs. i was thinking about trying trempers method, but now i am really scared. i do have two incubators i suppose i could try it with one clutch or one egg. sorry if this doesnt make since, im not the best writer or speller as you can tell

sacredpurr Apr 18, 2006 04:11 PM

Yes I would like to know how much the temps changed as well. I am so sorry for that poor baby. I have seen many deformed animals babies in my line of work but never something like that in Reptiles. How sad! I am new to breeding geckos, in fact my first set of eggs were laid a few days ago and I had a time getting my Hova temps down to female temp. I do not know what I will have now(males or females) I am a dragon breeder and it was set at 85 and the night before she laid I turned it down to 82. Anyways Please tell us how the temp varied so we can learn from this. Deb

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balloonzforu Apr 18, 2006 09:14 PM

The incubator was originally set to 85. The fluctuations that occurred was from 89-83 and even as low as 80 one day.

Note on Trempers method. Some very good breeders have tried out his method, and have lost half their eggs, and the half that servived half of those hatching were deformed. Don't risk it.
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r2mherp Apr 19, 2006 09:39 AM

I am now curious... I am incubating my first set of eggs, I can't seem to get my incubator to stay at a constant temperature, it fluctuates between 80.5 to 81.4, is this small of a variant going to be harmful? I had planned on leaving them at this temperature for 3 weeks and then moving them to a higher temperature for the duration (90 degrees). The breeder that I got my geckos from incubates her eggs like this and has only a very small percentage of loss... now I doubt myself again. Am I doing things right?

Michelle

PS. I have a helix on the way!!!

balloonzforu Apr 19, 2006 10:43 AM

That small amount is fine. I wouldn't raise the temps to 90.

Did you get just the helix or did you get the incubator that I showed you too?
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1.0.1 Red Ear Sliders
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0.2 Cats
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r2mherp Apr 19, 2006 11:17 AM

I wish I could get the incubator you showed me... that will be down the road a little. I purchased just the helix. Can you tell me why you would not raise the temp to 90? I would tend to think that someone with a career spanning 4 decades would have some idea what they are talking about???? But that is just my humble opinion??

Michelle

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