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Man, ok at least we are on the same page here. Now you and I can speak. Ok, no, I didn't know anything about your education as you never mention it nor did i ask. The real world is what matters and I agree with you there. I never tried to act "smart." You were the one who said that I was brainless for not knowing. Come on. I didn't know that's why I asked and if you have the experience you do then you should have given me the best possible answer. Not bringing up things that I didn't even didn't ask like the pro exotics thing. You have have got to read through and respond the best way you think is fit. You didn't.

You work with monitors everyday you say. Great, that's all the better that you should have answered based on your experience. You say I have what, 1. Yes, right now I have one. But let me tell you that this is not the first monitor I have owned in my life. I have had monitors off and on for about a good while now. I think the first one I had was about 11 years ago. I had it it lived fine with no problems, at all. I had it for I guess about 3 years which I then traded it off for a 13ft burmese which I kept for 4yrs when I gave it to a buddy of mine. Concurrent with the burm I had a nile that was great and had it for some years before things got hectic and had to keep it at my friends house for a few years. The ended up wanting it so I let them have it as it was theleast I could do to help them out. To bring you up to date as I don't want to go into all the animals i have had. I currently have this white throat. All the monitors I have had never had a problem with anything, ever. That is what I am telling you and why I was confused. All the animals I bought I could see. This is the first internet lizard i have ever traded for or had sent to me. Ok. I traded my 5 ft ornate that was healthy which I fed live and frozen alike and had no problems. I made a mistake for trading my healthy animal for this one that looked nothing like the picture they sent me. I thought it was ok. But then this one had problems regurgitating. I brought it to the vet and it had no parasites and we ran other tests as well. Well, to make a long story short the bill was going to run over $300 to see what was wrong as kidney failure was suspected. So I decided to send it back. This guy sent me another that was still sickly. Which is the one I have now. But it is not regurgitating but was extremely thin. We ran a fecal and found the worms it currently has. I have been feeding f/t among other things and it has been gaining weight. But here is the thing. I have never dealt with this situation. After it is recovering would it be wise to feed it something that could bring it back downhill and if I remedicate then that could do more damage than the worms that re-established themselves. So i was trying to avoid this. That is what I have been trying to say. The best remark would have been "Hey, Snakey, feed it f/t right now until it regains its mass and appears healthy then it will be fine to give it live/freshly killed as the parasite won't hurt it any. But in the case it does go downhill, take it to the vet as the parasites may be overloading the lizard and causing a health issue and if that happens check your husbandry" That's it. That's all I was looking for. Just a simple answer. Nothing more, nothing less. My monitor is not dying of poor health. It is making a good come back from the hole of a shop it came from. Now it has is eating fine, and parasites seem to be on the decline. So, I just wanted to know this information for the future. Say the next 3wks or so.
All this school stuff and trying to be smart, I am not doing or acting like anything. I just post what I want to say and why.

Maybe if you were as mature as you want to appear to be then don't come out saying brainless this and that knowing if I knew the answer then why would I waste my time asking. I just wanted to have the question answered. That's all. Not all the stuff I wasn't asking for which was irritating you for writing on stuff that should already be known.

This is what I mean by a few people switching what I am saying. I am not trying to trick you. Seriously. Or mislead you in any way. Look this is what you put in your exact words.......

.....You said you are going to raise the monitor up on f/t, then transfer it out of quarantine then feed it f/t but not worry about the effects of live?
ANYONE, does that make sense?

If I wrote that it wouldn't make sense and I would agree with you 100%. But the fact of the matter is that I didn't say that. Look what I put and this is the exact phrase from the post....

"""I am going to feed f/t until his health progresses and after the parasites are gone. Then once at an adequate weight and health move it to the 7ft enclosure (and out of quarantine) and will continue to give f/t but not worry about live/freshly killed rodents at all unless his health decreases."""

I am going to feed it f/t for right now until his health progresses and until the parasites are gone. Then once he is at a suitable weight and appropriate health move it out of quarantine and transfer it to the main enclosure. So once the worms are gone as his body is gaining a little mass I will trasfer him. In a few weeks. When transfered he should be healthy enough to be fed freshly killed prey if the freezer supply rins low. But will probably use f/t as i have quite a few for it and the other herps. I also have quite a few med leftover rats that were used for my large ornate. Yes, I probably won't go live for a while but sometimes my supply levels go beyond what I have room for in the freezer and it is alot easier to just feed them off early rather than just put them to waste or allow them to grow to large to be fed. Now lastly what I meant on the last sentence was that when I do feed live I won't think twice about it until a health issue comes up. You see. That is what I meant to have the viewer understand from the very start.
At least we got htis cleared up.

I don't know who your talking to, and it doesn't matter. But you still need to understand that live domestic mice will not give monitors parasites.

In Fact, years ago, I fed some monitors lots and lots of wild food, rodents, birds, rabbits, lizards, insects, and such. When I took them to the Vet, I was surprised that no parasites were found.

You can go, on and on, as to why, but that will not change the fact that there was none found.

We also use natural untreated substrates, this contains pinworm eggs without a doubt, yet we do not get pinworms either?????

I personally think you would be better off looking at other ways to improve your monitors health, like better cages. You can always build a better cage.

If you prefer dead frozen mice, then great feed them. But don't think they are different or better then live mice. Accept the truth, you want to feed them because its handy for you. Cool, not a problem. F

Your a waste of forum space...please do everyone a favor and just SHUT UP...I follow this forum daily and usually enjoy reading the interesting hubandry issues...but YOU are a real piece of work...andrew is right give up monitors, in fact give up herps...they most likely cant stand to listen to you..NOW THATS STRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope everyone will just quit responding to you...and you'll go away.....

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from Alex

Everyone should feel free to write.
We all have choices. Read it, ignore it, respond to it, or let your eyes glaze over, and don't read it at all.

But please don't tell people they shouldn't post. That's real rude, and no one has the right to decide who's allowed. (Well, except for JeffB....lol)
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dragons how are your brns. have you got any egg this year?
from Alex

I just couldnt take it anymore..LOL...I do not have the right to tell someone to stop posting, especially since I'm not an active participant here ( although I have followed this forum very very closely everyday for several months)so I appologize to the regulars for overstepping my bounds...I'll slink back to being a reader...and keep my own mouth shut.

Why don't you do ME a favor and shut up. I too read the posts daily. That doesn't make you special. Everyone here enjoys reading the posts. So you don't have to remind everyone that you like it. We ALL do. Get rid of the herps they can't stand to listen to me. What is that supposed to mean? Now you are looking like a piece of work. What if I own a snake? What part of any of this would lead you to believe that you are any more capable to care herps than anyone else. Sounds a bit conceited to me. How hard can it be. I have had herps at 8yrs old. As long as the conditntions are right it shouldn't create any problems. I can tell you now that many, many years later nothing has changed any except technology. I know you want to feel like you are the "man" but show other wise to me by your idiocracy. You hope everyone will quite responding and I'll go away, you say. Well, if fools like you would quit posting then I would. I was done a long time ago until some knuckhead like yourself wants to attack seemingly to gain higher respect in the forum or to bring others to hate even more for me reponding to you fools. Then another jerk will come to me and say "duuuhhhh why don't you stop rambling, duuhhh you make no sense in your posts, duhhh you do crack, duhhh" I guarantee if you were face to face you wounldn't say anything and would hold your tongue. But since you are protected behind your screen, you seem to drop your respect for others.

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I need to feed my monitors, unless horsesites would be a problem, F

As I stated,I have no clue of anything!Most likely nobody does either.I think you said a while back that you know Dr.(Vet)Scott Stahl?We raced motocross together for years.He's a great person and tried to get me into the vet field also.I'm way to impatient to do any good work like you.I only know what I'm told by "so called" experts.I think it's all like life itself,figure it out the best you can and enjoy it.

I really like Scott, we have been intoxicated together on a few occasions. He also seems to have a keen interest in monitors.

With a friend like him, why would you listen to anyone else. Your lucky to have him for a friend. F

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