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Hello Kathy. I took this albino patternless ratsnake project over from a friend of mine who says he purchased the original pair from Glades, ten or twelve years ago when you guys still owned it. He's had them ever since then and now I took over the group. Could you give me a brief history on them as far as what exactly they are,how they came to be so yellow, and anything you think would be helpful. Are they hybrids with everglades rats? I did very well with them this season but before I sell any babies I could really use the correct history(if there is one) on them. Thanks so much. Mike Panichi

I have some better photos but I never uploaded them in to kingsnake photo gallery. Thanks alot.

and it looks like it probably is, then it started back in 1979. That's when we bought a juvenile, w/c female yellow rat that was caught in Belle Glade, Fl. It had broken stripes instead of the usual juvenile blotched pattern. It turned into a very yellow, pretty adult with very faint stripes and a mostly red tongue. The pattern truned out to be a simple recessive gene. We eventually bred it into our alb. bubblegum project (mostly glades rat with amel provided by one breeding with an amel. black rat back in the '80s. The striped/patternless progeny seem to usually favor higher yellow and the blotched favor more orange colors. So it could have any or all of those subspecies in it, if it is from that particular project.

Have fun!

the babies always looked like the parents. No striping, but a nice yellow/peach snake. I have one male that is bannana yellow, a really nice looking animal. Thanks for the response. So they are a hybrid of glades ratsnake to a what? Thanks Kathy. Mike Panichi

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I didn't think Kathy roamed our forums...

*sits up straight and combs hair*

Kathy just posted in response to Christine's (Steen) question about transporting her newly purchased corn in the car. I guess you missed that.

I have been reading and enjoying Kathy's posts for years.

Marcel

>>Kathy just posted in response to Christine's (Steen) question about transporting her newly purchased corn in the car. I guess you missed that.
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

My question...please. If the temperature isn't right when incubating corns and the baby ends up with spinal kinks, are the kinks present at the time of hatching or can they show up later? I always thought that if it was due to temperature problems during incubation, the baby would come out of the egg looking bad from the start. What else can cause spinal kinks, other than trauma. Do you know?

I incubated my first ever corn eggs a couple months ago. I had 3. I picked them up from a gal in a neighboring city and was worried about them because they went through a 3 hour car ride in the middle of their incubation time. All three hatched and they all looked great. Two of them are already in their new homes but the one I kept for me suddenly has 4 spinal kinks, all evenly spaced 2 1/2 cm apart down the back. It's the oddest thing. They weren't there before...I noticed one, then the next day, I noticed 3 more. I'm really confused about this. She was a perfect snake and now she's 6 weeks old and kinked. Help!

I guess you would see the kinks right away when they have been incubated at too high temps. I have no clue what is causing the kinks in your baby.

Marcel

>>My question...please. If the temperature isn't right when incubating corns and the baby ends up with spinal kinks, are the kinks present at the time of hatching or can they show up later? I always thought that if it was due to temperature problems during incubation, the baby would come out of the egg looking bad from the start. What else can cause spinal kinks, other than trauma. Do you know?
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>>I incubated my first ever corn eggs a couple months ago. I had 3. I picked them up from a gal in a neighboring city and was worried about them because they went through a 3 hour car ride in the middle of their incubation time. All three hatched and they all looked great. Two of them are already in their new homes but the one I kept for me suddenly has 4 spinal kinks, all evenly spaced 2 1/2 cm apart down the back. It's the oddest thing. They weren't there before...I noticed one, then the next day, I noticed 3 more. I'm really confused about this. She was a perfect snake and now she's 6 weeks old and kinked. Help!
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

You wrote that the amelanistic in the bubblegum project was from a black rat. Do you know which albino mutant it was, tyrosinase negative albino or tyrosinase positive albino? Reason I'm wondering is because a couple of months ago I was in a discussion on the hybrid forum about some amlanistic corn x albino bubblegum hatchlings, none of which were amels. The breeder was positive that the bubblegum was a T-negative albino, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, I'd really like to know which mutant was used, if you know.

Paul Hollander
amel corn x albino bubblegum rat discussion on hybrid forum

and he said it was definitely a T+ animal. I never used another amel in the project, so mine were all T+ for sure. (I see my "plus" signs didn't show up in the preview for some reason. So if you can't see them in the post, I did mean T plus.)

Kathy:

My thanks for this information. Knowing that my bubblegum baby male is a T+, makes it practical for me to use him for test-mating with my albino females to determine whether they're T-pos or T-minus. Now I won't have to resort to hybridizing them with an amelanistic corn male.

>>and he said it was definitely a T animal. I never used another amel in the project, so mine were all T for sure. (I see my "plus" signs didn't show up in the preview for some reason. So if you can't see them in the post, I did mean T plus.)

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this is some line of snakes you guys started. They are beautiful snakes. What ever happended to them? I never really see any "out there". Is anyone else working with these to your knowlege? Thanks alot. Mike Panichi

I realized that I had more to care for than I could handle and just had to make difficult choices. I sold breeding pairs and groups to a number of people. April Tippe (sp?) got a lot of real beauties, but somebody stole a lot of her animals. I think she still has a few left. I sold her a 2 ft. blotched one that had a unusual slight lavender cast to it - would like to see it as a full adult. I guess I will just admire them in photos now.

BTW, I did add some hypo glades blood into a few of them in later years. So they could POSSIBLY (but not likely) be het for hypo.

I never saw them as babies. I took the adult group over and after reading your response, I just couldnt find any remnants of stripes. Then last night, after I made the post of course, the 1st clutch started hatching out and low and behold, STRIPES! LOL. I would guess they will disappear eventually. Thanks again Kathy for the insight. Mike Panichi

one of the female was an albino het for patternless, and hers was the first clutch to hatch. Here is one of the hets. Thanks. Mike Panichi

But some become so faint you can't see them at all. It is easier to see them on the normal colored, non-amel stripes. I always liked these because they look more like an amel yellow rat "should" look than the pure amel yellows that were caught up in the Tampa area a long time ago. The descendents of the Tampa amel have very definite white blotches as well as stripes - they just don't look like I thought they would look

Looks like you have lots of fun/work ahead of you!

>I realized that I had more to care for than I could handle and just had to make difficult choices. I sold breeding pairs and groups to a number of people.

Do you still have your luecistic Texas rat X everglades/yellow rat crosses? Those were nice, do you still produce those?

kk

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That's a shame, those Texas X glades het leucistic animals were quite beautiful. I remember you had a few big husky females for sale at an expo a few years back. Nice animals.

Just wondering if this guy is possibly from similar crosses - was from a pet store as a juvenile but so nice I couldn't resist him - he looks very similar to those posted here.

thanks,

mary v.

Looks somewhat different, but once somebody has outcrossed or bred their own combinations for a generation or two, they might not have the same "look" anymore and I can't say. Could easily share some common ancestors.

Many thanks for your opinion - guess we will likely never be sure of what he is, but he's a nice pet none the less,

mary v.