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Hello, I'm going to try to post a picture of my 2 (morph)gecko parents and their new (normal)hatchling. I have 6 more eggs in the incubator and I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the chances are of any of the future hatchlings coming out to look like their parents. Thanks!

what are the genetics of the parents.... is that a patternless or a blizard...and the other is an albino? sunglow? Your "normal" babies will most likely continue to look normal. My advice is to raise them up and breed them together Or to the parents because im thinking they are double hets possible triple considereing both appear to be recessive or even combination morphs... breed brother and sister babies together later and they may produce something really nice...but you have to cross them to other animals outside their direct blood line so they dont become so in-bred that they are deformed. If you can provide accurate genetics we can really get technical and perhaps accurate lol
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Accurate genetics...lol, that would be good to know if I'm asking a question about genetics wouldn't it? OK so far as I know the male is a blizzard-I got him because he was advertised as such, anyway. The female I do believe is an albino. The only thing I know for sure is that I purchased her accidentally from "Reptiles by Mack" (came home and saw the receipt)at a reptile show because she was pretty. My 'obsession' has grown a lot since then and if I knew then what I know now I certainly would have asked more questions. So if you, or anyone knows how to contact "Mack" I would love to try to find out more. If I got you a better picture of her would you be able to tell me anything more about her?

Now when you say to breed brother and sister together (or to their parents, but then say to cross with with other animals outside their direct bloodline I'm a bit confused. Where exactly do I involve the 'outside' animals?

Do you think that of my 6 remaining eggs I should just expect them all to be 'normal' looking? The suspense is killing me...

thanks for the response.

Better pictures would help...if your serious about turning this into a project i would raise these "normal" babies up and breed them together... this should produce a combination morph.... assuming they dont carry genes from uncompatible lines...some times if your geckos come from different types of albino parents (bell, tremper, las vegas)they do not have the same gene trait and it "cancels out" producing a normal. Thats why i wanted to hear about the true genetics. It makes a big difference

personally if i were you once you breed your babies with each other(when they're ready) see how that turns out. I would assume it would create a morph.....

in addition breed the new morph along with the hets to normals,hypo, super hypo, etc to produce more hets and or possible hets.... thats how you add diversity to a line... then you breed the hets back to the visual morph(s)

I was trying to be careful on how to explain this but if your new to breeding for genetics.... you took a big leap ahead right over the basics lol Genetics can be plain and "simple", "hit or miss" and even "down and dirty" complicated....

I just picked up a Super-hypo-carrot tail (almost baldy) het sunglow today from garrick at crestedgecko.com. Talk about a combination lol... I want a het a.p.t.o.r. thats a big combo too lol. I didnt breed anything last year so im pretty excited to get back into it had to brag a little

if any one has an opinion, addition, or if you notice something wrong with my post feel free to discuss it thats what this forums for
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Looks like you have a blizzard and a patternless albino as your breeders... That being the case, all of your babies will be normal looking but they will all be het for albino, patternless, ang blizzard.... So, to answer your original question, your chances of producing babies that look like the parents is 0....

Zero. Not a very good chance. LOL! If all the babies came out looking just like their parents that would be waaaay too easy wouldn't it? That's okay I'm still totally amazed that the little booger even hatched with the problems I had in the beginning. And I'm hoping for 6 more good and healthy ones (and more eggs on the way, I think)!

they are all hets .. i was thinking patternless albino but not being able to see the picture clearly i wasnt sure if it was patternless albino, sunglow, or any other variation of albino. Breed the babies to each other and you'll get a nice suprize
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

OK, I understand what you're saying now. I never would have thought that I could mate a brother and sister together. The incubator is set to produce both males and females so we'll see what happens next year...

Good luck with your a.p.t.o.r. project! Can you post a picture of your new one?

I can't seem to make a picture small enough for the Photo Gallery. Here's the best I can do. Maybe you can see more about her. Thanks for your help! Oh and just in case anyone notices that these pictures I'm posting show my animals on calci-sand, I just want to mention that they've all been changed to that felt carpet stuff since then after an impaction scare.

i would say patternless albino... your sitting on a bunch of hets! It's going to be like a litter of pit bull puppies...all kinds of colors
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Boy do I feel dumb. I'm confused again. Let me see if I got this right, thank you for being patient. My new baby and future hatchlings in the incubator are hets that will look "normal", as in normal 'patterning' with normal colors? Or are THEY going to be all kinds of colors (with normal patterning)? Or will their babies be all kinds of colors? I'm learning...ouch! my brain...lol!

no problem we all been there before....most if not all will look normal from this generation...oddities can happen though ....they will grow up looking normal or high yellow....once you breed those current and future babies together you should get some cool stuff
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Got it! Thanks!

Now how do I make the bottom one on the left page???

looks like a jungle but as to what kind??...what does the page say?
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Actually it's a book I just found online...I can't read what the page says. I'll try to include the link to the book...

But that's one wild looking gecko isn't it? I love it! I've never seen anything like it, I wonder what it is.
Link

it's funny I was just on ron trempers website and came across that book...and yes its wild! jungles are always nice... I have a 3/4 bold stripe 1/4 red stripe project produced from hotgeckos.com (which i picked up from milwaukee reptiles while he took a break from geckos) that should be ready to breed this fall.... basically they have that jungle look with a stripe down their back ..... I want that book (Ron Trempers) now as well as the complete ball python Kevin McCurley released...book or animals....I havent bought many books lately lol
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

I just checked out hotgeckos.com, I love those red stripes! That just reminded me, speaking of books, I first saw a picture of a red stripe in "The Leopard Gecko in Captivity" by Robbie Hamper and said to myself "I want one of those!". Since then I've acquired 5 animals, but not one of those. lol So....what do you plan to do with your babies next year? Would you consider this one striped? He needs a girlfriend....and if he was bred to a red stripe would they produce stripes or is that also something that skips a generation?

looks like a stripe to me ... ill post pictures of my red stripe project...i dont know the true genetics of a stripe im assuming its simular to a jungle.... i think if they're line bred the traits are simular to those of a high yellow or hypo.... I pick up odds and ends here and there if the price is right but the only place i go regularly is crestedgecko.com he has a nice variety of animals and i meet up at shows with him.
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

I have a red stripe group I am breeding this year some are also from Dan at Hot Geckos. Here are some pictures. Yes they are made from Jungles so line bred trait. So you breed the best stripe to the best stripe. I have HQ genetics JMG genetics and some from Dan. I am excited about my projects of breeding the stripes, my Hypos and LV albinos I also have jungle babies, blizzards and high yellow babies I will work with next year. I also got Sat from the Hamburg show a ghost/pastel( we think) a almost black normal and a Patternless. Now I have a question. How do I know if its a Murphys patternless patternless albino or just a Patternless? This confuses me because they look alot alike. All the above are gravid so I am excited at what I am going to get. Deb Here are a few of my stripes:

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Beardies: 8.13

Pyro-Red Flaming Tiger x Orange German Giant Male
Kai-GG x Orange GG Male
Skyla-GG x GG Pastel Female
Voodoo-Yellow Red Desert Male
Banshee-Orange Sandfire Female
Puff-Citrus x Red/Orange Sandfire Male
Cera-Citrus x Sunburst Female
Moon-Hypo x Snow Female
Jewel-Yellow Sandfire x Orange Sandfire- Female
Ace-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sundra-Sunrise x Red/Gold Sandfire Female
Nitro(Stubbs)-GG x GG Pastel- Male Juvy
Rainbow-GG x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Ember-GG Orange x GG Pastel Male Juvy
Wicket-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sedona-Blood x Red/Orange Sandfire Female
Seven-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Flame-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Cinder-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Kiowa-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Echo-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy

Leopard Geckos 6.13

Bonzai-High yellow Jungle Leo Male Juvy(Bruckman's Reptiles)
Basil-High Yellow Jungle Leo Female Juvy(Bruckman's)
Chaos-HQ Red Stripe Leo Male
Swayze-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Rayna-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Ayesha-Outcross JMG x HQ Red Stripe Female(Hot Geckos)
Chaz-High Yellow Leo Male
Asia-High Yellow Leo Female Juvy( Bruckman's Reptiles)
Cyrano-Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Baldy Male (Hot Geckos)
Cajun-Super Hypo Tang Baldy Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Calypso-Super Hypo Leo Female
Bijou- Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Female( Pro Geckos)
Inca- Super Hypo Tang Female (Pro Geckos)
India- Super Hypo Tang Female(Pro Geckos)
Arwen-Rainwater( LV)Jungle Albino Leo Male (Hot Geckos)
Aries-Rainwater(LV) Banded Albino Leo Female (Hot Geckos)
Ice-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)
Blondie-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles
Kashmere-Banana Blizzard Leo Male Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)

Tortoises 2.3

Velvet-Leopard Tortoise baby poss male
Marley-Sulcata Baby poss female
Sammy-Red Foot Female
Isis-Red Foot Female
Jade-Red Foot probable male

4.3 Ball Pythons

Stripe Male 05
Black Back Female 05
Het Pied Male 05
Axanthic Female 03
Reduced with Blushing Female 03
Chocolate Reduced Male 04
Banded Male 04

Tarantula's

1.0 Chaco Golden Knee Tarantula(my husband's)Baby
1.2 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Babies
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Baby

Other Pets:

11.13 Manx Cats
Too many to name here (Adults and Kittens)
2.1 German Shepherds
Danzig(Red Sable)male Search and Rescue Tracking
Sakotah(Black Sable)Male Pup ( Dan/Onyx Pup)
Onyx( Black) Female SAR Air/Ground Scent retired
1.0 Hedgehog-White Wicca
0.1 Giant White New Zealand Rescue Rabbit- Callie
2.2 Chinchilla's-Breezy, Stormy Nights, Myst, Black Velvet
0.1 Eastern Gray Squrriel-Paws (Squrrielee-o)
0.1 Ferret-Jumanji
Mice, Hammies and Rats

Wow I replied 2 times and lost connection DARN AOL! Any ways those are some nice red stripes. I included pictures of the red stripe project I have from dan...not from dan but produced by dan... LOL Im glad to be rebuilding my projects a little, last year I had to sell some of my collection due to personal problems. I just bought a SHCT almost baldy het for tremper albino so he can take care of my big girls who haven't been bred since fall of 04/spring of 05. So I only have 13 geckos to work with until babies roll around. If only they were low maintenance like the snakes and dragons I would have more LOL. Any ways I'll have to see how breeding goes soon! That Murphy identification ... it would be hard...unless ... are you just trying to figure out if its patternless or Paternless albino? If that's the case its all in the contrast and eyes...if your looking to identify a particular strain that's harder. That's why we need to know what were buying and from who but sometimes those deals at the swap are so tempting! Yes they do look alot alike lol

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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Hi, You have some nice ones as well. Dan has nice stripes amoung other morphs. I got some LV albinos from him too. Hes a great guy. Anyways I too have about12 adults to work with but have 24 geckos. My blizzards, high yellows and a jungle are babies still so they will be next years projects. Right now I am working with LV Albinos, SHCTB and in between SHT's and then the red stripes. Well I guess my question about the patternless is: when it reads patternless on the ad is that different from Murphy's Patternless and albino patternless? And by looking can we tell the difference? Patternless is totally new to me. This is my female: She is gravid and bred to another patternless

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Beardies: 8.13

Pyro-Red Flaming Tiger x Orange German Giant Male
Kai-GG x Orange GG Male
Skyla-GG x GG Pastel Female
Voodoo-Yellow Red Desert Male
Banshee-Orange Sandfire Female
Puff-Citrus x Red/Orange Sandfire Male
Cera-Citrus x Sunburst Female
Moon-Hypo x Snow Female
Jewel-Yellow Sandfire x Orange Sandfire- Female
Ace-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sundra-Sunrise x Red/Gold Sandfire Female
Nitro(Stubbs)-GG x GG Pastel- Male Juvy
Rainbow-GG x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Ember-GG Orange x GG Pastel Male Juvy
Wicket-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sedona-Blood x Red/Orange Sandfire Female
Seven-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Flame-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Cinder-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Kiowa-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Echo-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy

Leopard Geckos 6.13

Bonzai-High yellow Jungle Leo Male Juvy(Bruckman's Reptiles)
Basil-High Yellow Jungle Leo Female Juvy(Bruckman's)
Chaos-HQ Red Stripe Leo Male
Swayze-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Rayna-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Ayesha-Outcross JMG x HQ Red Stripe Female(Hot Geckos)
Chaz-High Yellow Leo Male
Asia-High Yellow Leo Female Juvy( Bruckman's Reptiles)
Cyrano-Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Baldy Male (Hot Geckos)
Cajun-Super Hypo Tang Baldy Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Calypso-Super Hypo Leo Female
Bijou- Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Female( Pro Geckos)
Inca- Super Hypo Tang Female (Pro Geckos)
India- Super Hypo Tang Female(Pro Geckos)
Arwen-Rainwater( LV)Jungle Albino Leo Male (Hot Geckos)
Aries-Rainwater(LV) Banded Albino Leo Female (Hot Geckos)
Ice-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)
Blondie-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles
Kashmere-Banana Blizzard Leo Male Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)

Tortoises 2.3

Velvet-Leopard Tortoise baby poss male
Marley-Sulcata Baby poss female
Sammy-Red Foot Female
Isis-Red Foot Female
Jade-Red Foot probable male

4.3 Ball Pythons

Stripe Male 05
Black Back Female 05
Het Pied Male 05
Axanthic Female 03
Reduced with Blushing Female 03
Chocolate Reduced Male 04
Banded Male 04

Tarantula's

1.0 Chaco Golden Knee Tarantula(my husband's)Baby
1.2 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Babies
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Baby

Other Pets:

11.13 Manx Cats
Too many to name here (Adults and Kittens)
2.1 German Shepherds
Danzig(Red Sable)male Search and Rescue Tracking
Sakotah(Black Sable)Male Pup ( Dan/Onyx Pup)
Onyx( Black) Female SAR Air/Ground Scent retired
1.0 Hedgehog-White Wicca
0.1 Giant White New Zealand Rescue Rabbit- Callie
2.2 Chinchilla's-Breezy, Stormy Nights, Myst, Black Velvet
0.1 Eastern Gray Squrriel-Paws (Squrrielee-o)
0.1 Ferret-Jumanji
Mice, Hammies and Rats

i still have no idea what a murphy patternless is ill have to look into that... you can however tell a paternless from a patternless albino... it's a little hard at first but its in the contrast and the eyes. If you ever get the chance to see the two side by side you will know what i mean. Patternless albinos have more yellow and white from what I see and the eyes are distinct.... patternless seem to have a little duller in contrast but the banana blizzards have a lot of yellow ... you can compare at the site below garrick I hope you dont mind..

http://crestedgecko.com/lg_availability.htm
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth

Hi Murphy's Patternless is in the Ron Tremper Gecko book and thats why I am confused. They all kinda look alike. So my girl is more yellow on her body and more white on her tail than the ones I saw there, calling them Murphy's Patternless. but I am still not sure between the albino patternless and a patternless. I have a Banana Bizzard baby so in time I will see the difference there plus I have blizzards too. So in the albino Patternless do the eyes look like the albino? Maybe I can put her next to my albino and compare. LOL I just wish someone would go to my post about What are these- New Female Geckos and tell me what I have. I have the Patternless there as well. But one is so light that she looks to be a ghost and the other so dark near black but a normal. Thanks for your help. Deb
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Beardies: 8.13

Pyro-Red Flaming Tiger x Orange German Giant Male
Kai-GG x Orange GG Male
Skyla-GG x GG Pastel Female
Voodoo-Yellow Red Desert Male
Banshee-Orange Sandfire Female
Puff-Citrus x Red/Orange Sandfire Male
Cera-Citrus x Sunburst Female
Moon-Hypo x Snow Female
Jewel-Yellow Sandfire x Orange Sandfire- Female
Ace-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sundra-Sunrise x Red/Gold Sandfire Female
Nitro(Stubbs)-GG x GG Pastel- Male Juvy
Rainbow-GG x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Ember-GG Orange x GG Pastel Male Juvy
Wicket-Sundial Coral x Snow Male
Sedona-Blood x Red/Orange Sandfire Female
Seven-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Flame-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Cinder-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Kiowa-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy
Echo-GG Orange x GG Pastel Female Juvy

Leopard Geckos 6.17

Blossom- Patternless Female(Animal Dreams)
Blaze- Jungle Bandit Female (Bruckman's Reptiles)
Bonzai-High yellow Jungle Leo Male Juvy(Bruckman's Reptiles)
Basil-High Yellow Jungle Leo Female Juvy(Bruckman's)
Ebony-Dark Phase Normal Female
Snowflake-Ghost/Pastel Female
Twister-HQ Red Stripe Leo Male
Swayze-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Eclipse-HQ Red Stripe Bold Jungle Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Ayesha-Outcross JMG x HQ Red Stripe Female(Hot Geckos)
Solar-High Yellow Leo Male
Sunspot-High Yellow Leo Female Juvy( Bruckman's Reptiles)
Phoenix-Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Baldy Male (Hot Geckos)
Cajun-Super Hypo Tang Baldy Leo Female(Hot Geckos)
Calypso-Super Hypo Leo Female
Bijou- Super Hypo Tang Carrot Tail Female( Pro Geckos)
Inca- Super Hypo Tang Female (Pro Geckos)
India- Super Hypo Tang Female(Pro Geckos)
Arwen-Rainwater( LV)Jungle Albino Leo Male (Hot Geckos)
Aries-Rainwater(LV) Banded Albino Leo Female (Hot Geckos)
Ice-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)
Winter-Blizzard Leo Female Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles
Shiver-Banana Blizzard Leo Male Juvy (Bruckman's Reptiles)

Tortoises 2.3

Velvet-Leopard Tortoise baby poss male
Marley-Sulcata Baby poss female
Sammy-Red Foot Female
Isis-Red Foot Female
Jade-Red Foot probable male

4.3 Ball Pythons

Stripe Male 05
Black Back Female 05
Het Pied Male 05
Axanthic Female 03
Reduced with Blushing Female 03
Chocolate Reduced Male 04
Banded Male 04

Tarantula's

1.0 Chaco Golden Knee Tarantula(my husband's)Baby
1.2 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Babies
1.0 Curly Hair Tarantula(my husband's)Baby

Other Pets:

11.13 Manx Cats
Too many to name here (Adults and Kittens)
2.1 German Shepherds
Danzig(Red Sable)male Search and Rescue Tracking
Sakotah(Black Sable)Male Pup ( Dan/Onyx Pup)
Onyx( Black) Female SAR Air/Ground Scent retired
1.0 Hedgehog-White Wicca
0.1 Giant White New Zealand Rescue Rabbit- Callie
2.2 Chinchilla's-Breezy, Stormy Nights, Myst, Black Velvet
0.1 Eastern Gray Squrriel-Paws (Squrrielee-o)
0.1 Ferret-Jumanji
Mice, Hammies and Rats

Im assuming Murphy is a strain just like albinos have tremper rainwater and bell they have simular traits yet are different. I don't have rons book yet so im clueless as far as the genetics go. The patternless albinos I had were just distinct I guess I no longer have them so I cant really make an accurate comparison
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we're here because a hobby became an obsession... if only every one had this much fun

some days your the dog, some days your the hydrant...don't know who started this saying but it's the truth