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That's right ... 152 days POS now has me talking to myself. Last year she delivered at 99 days POS ... go figure? And I dare you to tell me she isn't gravid ... just check out her photo. This is definitely a new experience for me.

And you can't image what she is carrying ... let's just call them "Imaginary Hets".

Also ... Yellow ain't so bad.

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she aint pregnant, shes friggin MASSIVLEY PREGNANT!!! Good luck sitting on your hands waiting.
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her being bound up internally somehow. I hope she drops them soon otherwise they'll be subadults at birth lol.

As they say in Austraila ... "No Worries, Mate". This girl is a proven pro. Not that it doesn't happen, but I have never had a bound female; it is more likely that something got "squirreled up" with the shed date. She is doing everything right.

Hi, can you tell me what do you need produce something as beautiful as she is? And yes, I know you need 2 boas. But exactly what type of heats would create a beautiful albinos. And how many of all the babies do you think would come out albino? For example, some people use a ratio of 66% and 100%. What should I be looking for? Thanks.

If I am not mistaken the picture is of a Snow boa(Albino Anery).

When speaking of 66% and 100% I am assuming you mean 66% and 100% possible heterozygous albino animals. What this means is that the animal has either a 66% chance or in the case of a 100% the animal is deffinately heterozygous albino.

If you are looking to produce albino animals for the least amount of money I would suggest looking for a pair of 100% heterozygous albinos.
Breeding these two animals together would yeild a litter like this:

1/4 Albino
1/2 Heterozygous Albino
1/4 Normal

You would not be able to visually tell the normals apart from the heterozygous albinos so all the non albino animals would be considered 66% heterozygous albinos.
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- Jason F.

First off, you need the correct genetic pairing for SNOW boas ... this girl is my favorite Snow (NOT an Albino). You can refer to the post below to see what I expect to get from her.

Hi Bill.

That is 1 large Snow female.
I assume she was bred with a Triple Het or might be carry Triple Het............am I close?

If she comes through for me, this will be the "Real Deal" ... triple recessive color hets (Albino, Anerythristic & Blood). Obviously, she was bred by my pure El Salvador Blood male (which is, by the way 66% Het for Type II Anery).

I will post more as to what you can produce from these after I have them ... I have probably already jinxed myself by talking about them before I actually have them.

I have to give it to you. You are deffinately going down a good path by combining so many recessive mutations. Due to the effort the animals will obviously be worth more. Additionally the litters will be filled with a variety of mutation combinations making them more interesting.
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- Jason F.

for BLOODY SNOW!

Now, if your Blood is from Tracy (which I think it is) it is 66% het Type II Anery (Pewter). So I am not sure what that will do, but it will be interesting!

Who knows, if the Anerys are compatible you may get a unique surprise!

Chris -

You are part way there. They will not only produce offspring that is Homozygous for both Albino & Blood, but also offspring that are Homozygous for all 3 traits. And of course the Pewter is somewhere in the mix.

And yes, this could potentially prove out the compatibility of the 2 Anery traits, but only if an anery (or other surprise) is produced. Since the male is only a 66% possible Anery and the compatibilitiy of the 2 traits is unknown, it may not prove anything.

Actually, at this time, I expect to have a litter of the rarest, normal looking boas around.

I like that!

Just throw in a Leopard when you are finished, and you'll have my ideal combination. I expect you had that planned though.

My ideal four recessives to be combined are Sharp Albino, Type II Anery, Blood, and Leopard. So this is right up there with that dream.

Sorry about the Sharp Albino, but it's not in my equation. I do have the Leopards to throw in, but I am not sure I will have the energy to chase things that far out. By then, I hope to be playing with grandchildren instead of boas ... but, never say never.

I'll be happy to take over for you!

Provided you have a good litter you will have to wait three years to raise up the babies, then breed them. I think it is 1/32 odds of producing a Bloody Snow. Then it is two or three years (sex dependent) before it can be bred to a Leopard. Then three years for those hets, and then you have to hit 1/64.

So a nine year project if everything works out.

It is actually 1/64 to produce a bloody snow from triple het to triple het, and a 1/256 chance to produce a leopard bloody snow from quad het to quad het.

you'd be much better off to do the tripple het thing again with leopard/snow. Then go for the 1/64 babies, bloody snow from the current breedings and leopard snow from the second breeding trials. The cross a bloody snow with a loepard snow, now you'd have snows that were also double het for blood and leopard. Breed those back together and 1/16 chance for bloody-leopard-snows.

Any way you look at it......long range plan!
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Thanks,

Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)
2.7 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (adult breeders)
2.5 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (sub-adult from 2004)
4.8 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (sub-adult from 2005)
2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

but I don't like the idea of Albino X Albino. Or breeding Homozygous X Homozygous anything for that matter. Breeding Snow X Snow in an effort to produce an EXTREME mutation, I think would further weakend the offspring.

With that said, the Snow for the Blood, and the Snow for the Leopard would have to be different bloodlines. Something to think about for the person who starts this project!

I don't like doing large punnett squares, lol.

Thanks for the correction. WOW 1/265. Will there ever be one?

n/p

it really won't take so long ... let's say I work with 5 pairs, the number of neonates hopefully should increase and hence I move in on the odds.

By the way, since we are working with Columbians, I don't expect to use the females until 4-5 years out. I actually think that the many female deaths we have heard about lately are the result of breeding them too early.

to get a female Leopard and Blood to breed to a male Blizzard. This will keep things smaller, and with C.A. bloodlines we should be able to breed the females at three.

My triples may be adults before we see the Blizzard.

have both had stillborns. We just need one to live.

You're right though.

First let me say good luck. I bred one of the pure bloods that is 66% possible het to a dhet for ghost last year and had a premature litter with 2 ghosts and one anery. I think the type 1 and type 2, at least in these bloods, is compatible. My point is you may wind up with half of the babies being anery het for blood and albino.
Bill

(Had to put in the last name to remove confusion)
I wonder if the Anerys from the Bloods (Ron St. Pierre, Pure El Salvador line) are different from Nicaraguan Type II Anerythristics. They may be compatible with Colombians, while Nicaraguans are still different.

The problem comes from the Anerys from the Blood breedings are all Pewter as Tracy (who has Ron's stock) has only done Blood X Blood. Her Bloods are 100% hets, so that give the Pewter babies.

However, has anyone seen an Anery from the Blood/Pewter project that was NOT a Pewter. They MIGHT not be Type II.

I hope Bill Gaines produces some Anerys in his litter to help solve this.

First off Bill, That is one KILLER snow. I love the yellow and white. That looks amazing. IT kindof looks like what I think a Sharp Snow would look like. That is one awesome combo, and like you said, those are some "POWER GENES".

Chris,

I have a blood boa from the Peweter litter, and I have a few Pewters. They are without a doubt a type 2, and anerythristic. Bills breeding last year was very interesting, and I think they are probably compatible across the board. Bill proved it.

The whole Blood group came in with Anerythristics, and Ron did breed a few bloods to type 2's, and he got type 2's right away, so back in the late 90's there was some speculation that the type 2 may even be a Co-dominant, but that was put to rest with a few breedings, and we know it is recessive.

However, it will be interesting to see if all the Type 2's are compatible. In Ball Pythons, you have a few Axanthics that look similar to eachother yet they don't have the same genetic makeup. That may or May not be the case with the Type 2 in boas. Some other Type 2's may be axanthic too.

Keep us Posted Bill. Best of luck!!!

Jeremy

Jeremy,
If that is the case is using the type 2 terminology usefull? We call anery longicauda and anery anacondas just that. I doubt a central american albino would be called a type 2 albino, especially if it is compatible. This is one naming example where my only interest in the name is to figure out if it is usefull or adds more confusion by implying it is a different kind of anerythristic. I agree they look darker but from what I have seen the anery longicauda'a look similarly dark; are they type 3? I think the idea that the anery gene in the bloods could be different than other central american anerys is interesting. Hopefully a lot of this will become clearer through combined breeding trials. It gives me some ideas to try.
Bill

especially since we do not know if they are also Axanthic. Or as Jeremy said, some lines may be axanthic.

I think that if the Type II, or some Type II, prove to be Axanthic the Type II label should be for them. The others would be better to sall C.A. or Nicaraguan Anerys. Without the Type II label people would associate them with the Colombian mutation, and compatibility.

is interesting information. Thanks for sharing.
I thought Ron had simply produced "Anerys" in a Blood X Blood litter, later realizing they were Anery Bloods (Pewter).

I will agree with you, I think there may be some Type IIs that are Axanthic. This theory comes from the appearance of the adults. With your matriarch to the Blizzard project as a good example to the Axanthic end. From pictures you have sent me, she doesn't appear to have any browns, but is mainly black. The result, I believe, of a lack of erythin and xanthin.

Meanwhile, I have seen some Type IIs, mainly imports, that have slight brown shades that how with age.
I know Axanthic Ball Pythons usually brown a little, but the Snows also have yellow. I think the BEST axanthic would have NO yellow.

These are all questions that will possibly be answered this year.

Bill's Blood X Snow could yield Anery offspring, which would prove compatibility.

Your DH Blizzards will give the answer on the Axanthic end. If they are WHITE, and don't develop the yellow I think it is safe to say the Type II Anery (or at least those from your Matriarch) are Axanthic.

I certainly hope half the litter are Anerys; it would definitely increase my future odds and cut down on the time to get to some new morphs.

We may have to talk further re: your Blood 66% Het Anerys.

if your Blood isn't a het, you may want to think about breeding loans from someone with a Blood het Type II.

She's really beautiful, Bill! I hope it's soon! Hope you get a bloody snow too!
Good luck,
Caden

She's really beautiful, Bill! I hope it's soon! It cannot be too much longer. Hope you get a bloody snow too!
Good luck,
Caden

Hey guys and gals ... thanks for all the discussion points. Maybe I should hire some of you as consultants ... but why so when I can get all this free advice on the forum.

This whole Anery thing is starting to confuse even me.

But for the time being, I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed for a vialbe litter.

Till Next Time ... Bill

Photo of Type VI Anery

Good luck. I hope you get triple hets and anerys.
Bill