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Expanded PVC/ Acrylic Cages

genevieve Apr 25, 2006 01:32 PM

So this summer I will have a 12 foot long, 8 foot high section of wall just waiting to be filled with herp cages. Eventually they will be filled with Rhacs, Phelsuma and Chondros, so high humidity retention is a plus.

I would love to end up with something like the top row here: www.pvccages.com.

Has anyone worked with Expanded PVC/ Acrylic combo cages? Pitfalls to avoid? How hard is it to work with? Suggestions?

Any idea of the cost difference between plastics and traditional plywood cages?

Thanks,

Genevieve
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7.30.XX Crested Geckos
1.2.1 R. leachianus henkeli
0.0.1 Phelsuma laudicata
0.1.0 Presa Canario

Replies (4)

chris_harper2 Apr 25, 2006 02:05 PM

Has anyone worked with Expanded PVC/ Acrylic combo cages? Pitfalls to avoid? How hard is it to work with? Suggestions?

I think expanded PVC (PVCX) is a bit harder to work with. Mostly because the factory edges and corners are not as square as even medium quality plywood. But if you thermoform from full sheets a lot of this is less of an issue.

If you wish to make the cages from panels (rather than thermoforming) I do recommend using something thicker than 1/4" and finding a plastic shop or distributor that can cut the material with a CNC router.

There are pros and cons to both methods.

Regardless, I do think a plastic cage is a good idea for the species you keep.

Any idea of the cost difference between plastics and traditional plywood cages?

Both types of cages have to have doors, ventilation, heat sources, etc. So this cost is fixed between the two types, more or less.

For the most part the cost difference boils down to the difference in cost of the plastic as compared to plywood with a comparable finish. For the species you keep I would recommend a finish you apply yourself (numerous choices) rather than a factory finish (either melamine or UV cure epoxy). I don't name a specific price difference here simply because both plastic and plywood vary so much in price.

More comments:

If lightweight caging is most important to you then don't go over 3/16" or 10mm PVCX. People are often surprised to learn that many 1/2" PVCX products weight more than decent 1/2" plywood.

Use 1/4" if you want to thermoform and don't build a cage larger than the typical 4x2x4 size.

If you want to build the cage from panels attached with screws or rivets then use at least 10mm PVCX. I think rivets plus PVC "glue" is a great way to build cages. I do recommend finding a plastic distributor with a CNC router who can cut the material accurately. I used to live near such a place and would still use them if I still lived there, even though I now have a $1000 table saw.

If you're thinking about build banks of cages, say where the floor of one cage acts as the ceiling of the cage below, plywood will be a better choice.

If you plan to use a lot of soil, plants and other decoration for the geckos you might have issues with stacking PVCX cages. I'd be concerned with them sagging.

It sounds like you won't need any super large cages so I think you have a lot of choices.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
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Current snakes:

0.0.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - Java locale (green)

2.2 Gonyosoma janseni - Seleyar locale (all black)

markg Apr 26, 2006 01:48 PM

www.herpcages.com

These cages are made from high-density polystyrene. They are incredibly strong, light and cheap. And Mr. Barr does an oustanding job. Perfect cuts, routed areas, etc. Heat easily.

I agree with Chris. PVCx is a very good material, but have a shop make straight cuts if you want to make cages and you don't have a good tablesaw. Plus the plastic shavings get everywhere.

highendhabitats Apr 27, 2006 08:59 AM

You are right mark! I am building eight 5 foot display cages for a pet store's reptile section and have a pile of shavings that could fill up a 55 gal. drum! What a mess!
As far as pvcx, I think it is an incredible product. It is very versatile. Light weight, eaasy to work with, holds heat and humidity very well and you don't have to worry about what type of finish to apply.
If you do choose to build from pvcx don't use regular pvc pipe glue. Weld-On has a clear water thin solvent specifically for rigid pvc. It is fantastic! It sets quickly and with an applicator bottle with the needle you can clamp together you pieces then apply the solvent into the joints. The foam core will draw the solvent into the joint like Bounty!
I have not had problems working with 1/4" thickness on larger cages. I built one 5'x4'x1.5'. I only had to add extra support to the top to keep from bowing. And extra on the floor to support the hide I built for the cage. I transported it across town in the back of my truck a few times before I delivered it to my customer and it made it through safe and sound. I would not recomend building such a large cage with 1/4" though. Client had to have a specific color that only comes in 1/4"
Good Luck
Carey
www.highendhabitats.com

markg Apr 27, 2006 02:19 PM

Thanks for the tip on the Weld-On product.

And nice work! I like how you did the feet at the bottom of the cages.

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