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but whatever they are - I DIG 'EM! Hypo Jungles, Hypo Motleys, Super Hypos from parthenogenesis, crazy wacked out F1 Hypos - who knows?! A bunch of the babies from this litter shed yesterday so I snapped LOTS of new photos of them.

One of the non-hypo babies passed away a few days after they were born. We're not quite sure what went wrong with her but all the others seem to be doing fantastically. They are all very active and seem extremely curious as to why I am looking at them so much!

There are a couple of babies that I have been keeping my eye on to shed and it seems like those two are going to be the very last two to shed (of course!). I went ahead and took some photos of one of them anyways though LOL. These babies still amaze me with their coloration and contrast. All the Hypo versions are SO similar but then collectively, SO different from the non-hypos.

I am really very excited to watch these guys grow and see how their coloration develops!

Let me know what you think...

Thanks for looking!
Celia

This is the most aberrant of the group...

This is the one with the really blocky saddles

I love the contrast on this one and she was really good about posing too!

More photos in the next post...
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We called this one "Leopard Head" - she's also got TONS of pink on her face!

This one just won't shed!

"Devil Head"

And the girl with a TON of saddles!

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A group shot of a few of the non-hypos...

And a few comparison shots - hypos vs. non-hypos...

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Celia Chien
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I cannot beleive you'll have to keep everyone of those fine looking animals ;o)
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Chris & Alliey
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believe...sorry...lol
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I would have a tough time selling any of them. They are so beautiful!!!
John
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

we've had a TON of interest in these babies but we aren't quite sure what we're going to do with. At this time, we're hanging onto them and we're going to wait until at least after the paternity test results. After we get those results back, we'll re-evaluate what we are going to do!

Thanks,
Celia
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All I know is that, your litter really sets the bar for extreme future morph crosses. I think when different morphs are crossed with traits(Ress.CO-DOM/DOM)ect ect. like hypo,blood,salmon,jungle,pastel,lepard,squartail ect ect.. It looks like some out comes from crazy pairing's lead to even more insanely litters. Im sure people will love the next few years of boa breeding's or find it disgusting with more mutt's to populate the true BCC/BCI/BCO/BCL world of boa's.
I think those boa's you produced are very interesting, not to my taste but neat looking. Very different nontheless
have a good one,
Jake~~~~~~ aka volcomherp

What an amazing variety of babies you have there!!! The one that is in shed is my favorite! As always your pics are great so keep em coming...
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Matt Lerer
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favorites too! The coloration on the tail on her just GLOWS and I can't believe she's going to be one of those babies that just doesn't shed until about a month after their born! Darn her!

Thanks,
Celia
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on those hypos.. I've seen aged adults with a kind of albino color that creeps up from the belly with age on hypos, but those babies are incredible looking! I wouldn't let a single one go!
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

I thought the orangish coloration on a few of the hypo gene carrying babies were almost sunglow-like in appearance. I'm don't know why they look like that but it's kinda neat...!

Thanks,
Celia
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at all those beautiful babies....whatever the heck they are The little one all curled up hugging itself is beyond precious. As always, Celia.....Wonderful pictures!
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Linda Hedgpeth
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WOW! I don't care what they are, they are AWESOME! Please let me know when you'd like to sell one of them!!

We're not sure what we're going to do with these babies. Right now, we're just really enjoying watching them grow and change!!

Thanks,
Celia
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Beautiful great job Celia. I realy love the last 3 peek-a-boo lol
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1.2.0 ball python (aragorn, arwen,`eowyn)
1.0.0 100% het pied (frodo)
1.0.0 columbian boa (squiggles)
1.0.0 rat snake (alabastered)
0.1.0 corn snake (baby)
0.0.2 whites tree frog (trevor, kirmet)
0.0.5 pacific green tree frogs
3.2.0 cats (rockie, bs, brownie, lerrado, kole)
1.3.0 kids (dilyen, dakota, chyanne, sierra)
Brian n Chrissy
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Drop Dead Georgeous!!!!!!!!
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0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB)
2.7 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (adult breeders)
2.5 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (sub-adult from 2004)
4.8 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (sub-adult from 2005)
2.1 Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 Het for Hypomelanistic BRB
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
1.0 BCI albino / het-anery
0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

post more pics of that litter.Thank you they are truly a sight to behold.I didnt want to ask for more pics (figured you were busy)but those babies are absolutly mindblowing.Congratulations on this blessing.JOHN!

Trust me...I've been very impatient waiting for these little ones to shed. I didn't want to take new photos of them until they had shed and as you can see from the photos, my impatience got the better of me and I took a few pictures before everyone had shed out!

Thanks for the compliments!

Celia
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They are awesome that is for sure!!! I would like the one that looks like a little sausage roll...lol...The eyes on all of them look very cool! When will you get the results of the tests back? Thanks for the update Celia. Take care, Andy Federico
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until after their second sheds. Our friend is currently working on designing and working out all the details for the paternity test. They will be using shed samples from the dam, the two potential sires, and the babies. We don't want to use the first, post-birth sheds because they'll be too much "junk" from mom on those sheds. So, we're going to have to wait for the second sheds.

Hopefully, we'll be able to get the test results back in about a month and a half from now!

Thanks,
Celia
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I am looking forward to hearing the results! Andy
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Whatever they are, they are incredible. Congratulations on a fantastic litter. keep us posted as they develope.
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Dr Warren Booth
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Super photos and a great subjects. Whatever they are, they sure are nice.

Christian
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my last post about this litter?

My theory (abbreviated) is this;
It is known that high temperatures kill sperm, and that temperature fluctuations in gestation alters pattern. Also, in Leopard Geckos incubation temperatures affects color.
SO:
The sperm was left over from the Jungle sire last year. The "Y" chromosome sperm was weaker, and the normal temperatures during the summer killed them. The "X" chromosome sperm survived. This resulted in the high number of slugs, and all the live babies being female.
The Color and pattern would then be the result of the sperm surviveing through a year where the female was kept at normal temperatures and the sperm had to endure different conditions. The temperature fluctuations affected the color and pattern of the offspring.

I made the post on Easter, so you may have missed it, and I didn't want to call.

Anyway, I would love to hear how the paternity test is going, and your input to this theory.

-Chris

PS: If I am right, can I have one? LOL

good post!
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Chris & Alliey
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not just heat but also, possibly the sperm becoming stale?
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Chris & Alliey
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the sperm was still fresh and crispy?!?

HAHA! Just thought I'd add some OUT THE BOX thought for you two scholars to ponder on!

Take it easy...
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;O)
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shoots my theory to pieces!

That is a very interesting theory. I don't know how plausible it is but at this point in time, I think anything is plausible! I don't think your theory sounds all that far fetched though.

Something I want to mention - we have had sperm retention in Corn Snakes in the past. In these cases, the babies produced from the retained sperm did not appear any different from previous babies. However, with Corn Snakes, we are talking about an egg-layer and who knows if it might work differently in livebearing boas...?

Either way, the paternity test results should tell us if your theory is correct or not! I can't wait to find out!!

Thanks,
Celia
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lay eggs, I am not sure.

This is one reason I asked about testing blood samples from the slugs.

The bad part is that we simply do not have other cases to compare this with.

the coils photos. Those are fascinating animals. I look forward to the news from the paternity tests.
gray

too! She was just in a little ball like that when I took her out and stayed perfectly still for me. I thought the pose did a good job of showing off the distinct line of contrast between her dorsal and sides!

Thanks,
Celia
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Celia and Sean you have produced something really special in those animals and I can't wait to see what is in store for them in the future. Good luck and hope to see more.
Andrew

Its not often that you see such a perfect looking snake pose so well. I love is pattern and solid red sattles and tail. He/She is definately my favorite of the litter.
Michael Burton

OFF THE HOOK!
That one little guy is really "hammin' it up" for the camera.
Great photos as always,
Jeff

They are just awesome!!! The boa gods are serving up some weird litters this year. All the more reason to love boas and this hobby in general.

comments/opinions/compliments, etc. everyone! It's nice to see that others are as excited about this litter as we are!

I just wanted to mention something about the Parthenogenesis theory. We were discussing these babies with a good friend of ours who is a molecular biologist. He explained to us that there are a couple of different things that could happen with parthenogenesis. There are two different points in the developement that it can occur at. If it occurs at this one point, then all the babies should be "clones" of the mom so in this case, they should have all been hypos. However, if it happens at the sex cell stage, then you would have different results - you would have both normals and super versions.

His explaination was MUCH better than mine with a lot more professional terms which escape my memory. However, that is the basic principle of what he was saying which was very interesting because that could actually have been what happened in this instance. It could explain the strange "super-like" look that the Hypos have to them.

Also, if this was the result of parthenogenises, there is also the possibility that each one of the offspring could reproduce in this manner. Could you imagine not having to "breed" boas to produce babies? Now that would be CRAZY!

Regardless, the paternity test should help rule out various theories! I hope it works!!

Also, here is a picture of mom as a baby. As you can see from the photo, she wasn't anything really "special" - just a very nice, CLEAN F1 Hypo which is why I got her!

Thanks,
Celia

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have a tendency to themselves reproduce that way? A small evolutionary advantage perhaps?

When he said that some of the babies could be normal and the others supers, was that normal and super hypo, or does it include wild-type?

I know what those bottom few are. They are the new Hypo/Boa/Ball cross. By the looks of that Ball/Boa, I can say they are going to be a HUGE success. LOL (I love that photo of the Boa Balled up)

On a serious note, I don't know what to think. I'm baffeled as I'm sure you are too. They don't quite look like Salmon Jungles, and they certainly aren't Hypo Motleys. The Tounge does look like a Salmon jungle, but you get that tounge in some Super Salmons too. It is impossible for them to be Super Salmons, so, again, I'm just stumped.

They are INCREDIBLE animals. It is impossible to have Parthonegenisis in this one too. It will be very cool to get those blood tests done to see what the heck went on. Regardless, they are amazing animals, and I want them all.

Take Care, Jeremy