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there are quit a few paradox albinos out there,
but I´ve never heard of reproducing them by breeding
paradox x paradox or the het way ?
Does anyone now more about it ?
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www.albinoboas.com

No its not genetic. Its a random event in both boas
and ball pythons.

now its clear....

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n/p

Good luck, and those sunglows are awesome. But my take on it is this:
If the paradox phenomenon was genetic, it would have been reproduced by now. Yours very well may be genetic, and that would be great, and I hope they are.

But,in a litter that was as messed up as yours was, I find it doubtful that you can hypothesize with any accuracy. There were alot of defects and If the pair that produced these were mine I highly doubt I would try the same pair next time. Obviously there may be some genetic things going on that may stack the odds against having healthy viable litters.

Please dont take me wrong as you have produced some awesome snakes in that litter, It just seems that something genetically may have got crossed......Then again it could be an isolated incident that turned out the way it did.

I say congratulations on a couple unusual babies and much success in the future, but as far as feeling that these are genetic (paradox) We will have to just wait and see.

Bob

It is genetic in Kenyan sand boas.

>>No its not genetic. Its a random event in both boas
>>and ball pythons.
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Rick Staub
R&R Reptiles

I should have been more specific I guess. The Kahl strain of albino colombians have thrown paradox albinos randomly for years. I remember Scott from Vision had a breeding project with them and obviously it didn't prove to be genetic.

this long to prove out?

I am interested in any information that could be provided about this breeding trial concerning the paradox mutation.
I am not aware of any breeding trails done to attempt to prove the genetic inheritance of the paradox mutation. Of all the boa mutations, the paradox is probably the most unclear. I have a strong interest in genetics and would greatly appreciate any inside detailed information concerning the parings and resutls of breeding trials with paradox mutant animals.
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- Jason F.

and if bred within a line could be reproduced. The problem is albinos are messed up enough as it is an inbreeding is a bad idea, when it's avoidable.
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Ed Lilley, www.constrictorsnw.com

I agree with avoiding inbreeding.
I think that breeding trials would be best conducted using only albino animals. This would reduce the need for extra trials involving hets. In order to properly do this many unrelated animals would need to be acquired. Proving this trait to be genetic will be a difficult task.
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- Jason F.

I assume it will take many years to prove genetic. Espically because I plan to outbreed them first to try to strengthen the line.

If you are not planning on breeding only albinos then it will take a good number of years since the paradox doesnt seem to show up in het animals (I could be wrong).

What I would do, given the resources is to breed each animal to an unrelated albino. This is where it is expensive as you will need three unrelated additional albinos to breed to your three paradox albinos.
If the trait is dominant or co-dominant then you should see paradox albinos in each of the litters. I highly doubt its dominent or co-dominent.
Although this may not be outbred enough for some, I would then setup various parings of the offspring from the three litters. If the trait is recessive you should see paradox albinos in 25% of all of the pairings.
I may not have thought this out fully but this is some what the way I would be going about it. Making het. albinos first would deffinately be longer, but would probably be easier to outbreed and expand the genetic pool.
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- Jason F.

If one of the paradox turns out to be a male I will breed him to an unrelated het albino female and see what comes from that litter. The outcome will determine where I go from there.

Read 7 posts ago. Vinnie Caruso seems to have all paradox sunglows in his litter.
Caden

I have twice seen multiple paradox babies come out of "related to paradox" adults.

Looks like a double recessive to me. Kinda like a snow boa.

I would love to hear more about these litters could you please contact me. snakeman1313@homail.com

I thought that they produce paradox offspring? Also I understand pete kahl would know a little something about paradox genes in Boas Constrictors. Greg Reinert