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I was wondering if a Banded Cal King was bred to a Striped Cal King would be considered a "no-no" in the ks breeding realm. I believe they have the same scientific name (please correct me if I am wrong), just drastically different patterning.

Just don't want to start off breeding with a "bad" rep.

Thanks to those who reply!
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In some parts of California you can find them (banded, stripe, and aberrant) under the same board.

Basically you have locality specific cal kings and non-locality specific cal kings. Most of the cal kings in the herp trade are non-locality cal kings.

They are the same species.

Breed them.

And have fun.

Kerby...

A banded and a striped from the same population is of the same genotype. If bred is not a cross. A banded from Northern L.A. county or from where Kerby lives or Oregon, when bred to a San diego striped, is a cross. The latter is not of the same genotype.

A genetic cross is breeding any two animals that are not of the same genotype.

The problem is with snakes of the same species, its harder to define what a genotype is. So to give you a general idea, a genotype is animals that could have bred in nature(same locality)

So, Cal kings like Vista kings, Newport kings, Temecula kings, Brea kings, etc, are genetic types of cal kings. With other kings like, Big hill alterna, Luna Vista alterna, Sanderson alterna, Black gap, etc etc etc, are genetic types of greybands.

Each of these genotypes has its own unique characteristics, in color and pattern as well as scalation. I.E. different scale counts.

Consider, I have nothing against crossing genotypes or even species or genera, hahahahahahahaha I would love to see a monkeymonitor, hahahahahahahaha You just need to understand what a cross is and make sure you identify them as such.

Again consider, any snake bought over the internet or from a reptile shop, then bred results in a cross. The reason is, you have no idea of its genetic history. I imagine all morphs(like kerbys) are indeed crosses, as they were derived from crossing different locality genotypes. They were crossed to express traits that were not normal. See what I mean? Cheers

I used the term locality specific and you used geontype.

Kerby...

I think you said, you "can" find, stripers, banded and abberant under the same board. Which is true, and breeding those from under the same board is fine. But you did not clairify that a striper from San Diego and an abberant from davis, cal. and a banded from victorville, are totally different genotypes and would be crosses if bred. As the original question never stated local. Cheers

1) if it is a "no-no".

And the answer is that it is not a "no-no" to breed different locale cal kings together.

2) and if they have the same scientific name.

And the answer is yes that they do have the same scientific name.

**But you did not clairify that a striper from San Diego and an abberant from davis, cal. and a banded from victorville, are totally different genotypes and would be crosses if bred....**

In my opinion there are "locale specific" cal kings and "generic" cal kings and unless one knows for sure where the cal kings came from, then they are generics.

When I breed my female Carlsbad striper (WC) to any other cal king that I have then the offspring are generics, but cal kings none-the-less.

We are ploe-vaulting over mouse-turds here.

Kerby...

Thanks Kerby & FR for your answers. I don't know what locale the kings are, but I'm glad to know that it is not looked down upon to breed striped and banded together.
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1.0.0 Veiled Chameleon (Lucutis)
0.0.1 Quince Monitor (Pollux)
1.0.0 Thayeri Kingsnake (Corbin)

The only concern is to make sure you label them as unknown origin or non-local kings. Its really not a big thing anymore as there are very few local kings being bred. Good luck

Not to be a stickler for vocab, but the words genotype and locality specific are not interchangable.

In this situation I think Kerbys use is corect. A genotype is the sequence of bases that codes for a phenotype (the observable trait). In this case it is a gene, or more likely group of genes, that control the pattern and color of cal kings. As all L.g.californiae are the same species, these genes are in the same place, and work within the same combinations of ways no matter what the local. A striped call king in one area and a striped king in another local are both striped because they share same sequence in the genes that code for pattern. This is not to say that they are genetically similar, other then by the fact that they are of the same species and there is only so much variability in Cal king pattern. Different locality animals are obviously genetically distinct and very diverse in both genotype and phenotype, and breeding animals of different localities will be mixing very different gene pools (call that crossing if you like).

I think that we can all agree that true locality animals are rare as heck in the trade these days and there is nothing wrong with "crossing" different pattern types whether they came from under the same board or a different state.