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Hello
I've heard different opinions on weather or not the Crumbly Red Bull trait is a simple recessive, or weather it is a locality trait(similar to a line bred trait, like hypo tangerines in leopard geckos. Anyone here know definitively?

The Crumbly Red (or any other red bull) is not the product of a simple resessive gene. Most of the red bulls on the market today have origins from Texas. I believe Bart Bruno is also working with some red bulls from Oklahoma. I have outcrossed red bulls into other "morphs". The offspring generally are somewhere in between the red and the "normal" appearance. There are a higher percentage of babies with red than not (especially in the second generation), but you would be incredibly lucky to get the trait to show in 100% of your offspring. Even when breeding say a Crumbly to a Crumbly, you may get one or two babies that show little to no red. I hope that this helps. Take care!

Jeremy
Shade Tree Exotics

I agree with Jeremy!!! Before I purchased my Kingsville red bull, I asked this question to every pit breeder I knew and even one in particular who produces locality red bulls and every person is under the impression, and said the same thing, that the red gene is not recessive, thus babies can not be " het-red".

The Crumbly line reds, to me, seem to have stronger black patches, than the Kingsville reds, although the Kingsville reds from what I have seen tend to be actually more consistent in the red color or the color being darker red. Either way, both lines are awesome and I still may pick up a Crumbly line red in the future since prime specimens are incredible.

The Crumbly line is not locale-specific, while the Kingsville reds are. Either way, to me, it does not mean one is better than the other.

Babies are hard to pick out. I have seen some that had red that didn't turn out that way and vice versa. Kinda a gamble but at the same time fun to watch how they grow up and turn out. They are all beautiful bulls none-the-less.

Billy
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Genesis 1:1

I'll second Billy on the fact about the colors and patterns. They are not het-red and picking for color is somewhat hit or miss. I picked up some last year at Daytona. Of those only one really doesn't show much red in color. Here is a pic of Crumbly line adults with the female being somewhat more red (Brick in color).

Scott Robinson

I agree , here is 2 photos of a Crumbly male , one at 6 months , and the other at 1 year , I got him from Tim Thomas in `04 , he's even redder at 18 months , I'll have to get a updated photo of him.

WOW!!! That IS RED!!!