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In early April, I brought Darwin in to get checked out since he has been so lethargic (lengthy brumation?) and have a fecal done. Vet said no coccidia, but found pinworms and gave injection of Ivomectin and another 2 weeks later. Just brought in followup fecal today and he STILL has pinworms and the vet is saying that they must be in his environment. I am so baffled! He doesn't even poop in his tank! He prefers to go in his little tub (spoiled? nah!). I use shelfliner, resin basking "rock", cork bark and few pieces of wood. He is in a 75gal tank. He is still rather lethargic, goes to sleep early even with the longer days.

I was told that they can only get pinworms by being re-exposed strictly via feces. Yes, I have other herps (cham, side-blotched lizards and aquatic frog) and am obsessive about cleanliness!

from doing a little research, it seems that panacur is the usual treatment and even found some postings on other forums about vets not having any luck with the ivomectin and reptiles.

I usually go to another vet (ARAV) who is about 45 minutes away (when I was having lots of cham trouble in past) but figured for "normal beardie stuff" this other herp vet (10 minutes) would be OK. Now I am beginning to think differently.

He will be back in on Thursday and will speak with him then, also have a call into my ARAV vet, who also won't be back until Thursday. Oh, the vet tech said that the load was not a lot but same as it was last time. So my questions...

*Anyone familiar with the use of ivomectin for pinworms in herps?
*I have panacur, should I treat him myself?
*Would his lethargy be due to the pinworms themselves?

thanks!

lele
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
1.0 Nosy Be Panther Chameleon - Cyrus
0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
1.1 Side-blotched lizards - Ana and Stan for now
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skippy
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh, Died 4/21/06
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha, donated to science 4/4/06
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

Hi
ivermectin hmmmmmm i dont like regular medicine and ivermectin is one of them.
its hard to dose because its made for bigger catlle.
i would go for parazap.
7 days thee 7 days no thee and then again 7 days thee.
www.parazap.com you can there read more info.
parazap wil kill the egg and expell them.
also it have a lactative efect so its nice to give with impaction to.
also give good bacteries to help him digest better the medicines have killed also the good bacterias.
try to get acidopilus capsules also named probiotics.
0ne capsule in 1/2 glas of water for 1 week is good thing to do.
kill the worms ,then the cocidia r flagelates wil go away to.
the worms make the beardie weaker so coccidia and other protozoans have change to atack.
hope this helps.
i gave 1 year long antiworm medicine and it not helpt me parazap have helpt me
byeeeeee

Thanks for your help. The more I learn about this med, the more pissed I am that he used it. I am going to take him to my ARAV vet on Friday and speak with him tomorrow. I ordered a fresh tube of panacur (not sure how long it lasts, have had it a few years) and will look into parazap as well. Is that one that can wipe out all the good too?
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
1.0 Nosy Be Panther Chameleon - Cyrus
0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
1.1 Side-blotched lizards - Ana and Stan for now
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skippy
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh, Died 4/21/06
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha, donated to science 4/4/06
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

If I were you, I would try to bring the dragon out of the brumation state before medicating him. You could worsen the problem. These medications can dehydrate and cause your dragon not to eat, which could make him even more lethargic. Try increasing the photoperiod to 14 hours a day with a timer for consistency. Consistant, lengthened day/night cycles can cause your dragon to snap out of brumation. Leave the basking light the same. Also soak him in about an inch or so of water for a half hour to hydrate him. A hydrated dragon is much more active, and likely to eat. I honestly think that pinworms aren't your problem. There are many dragons that have pins and coccidia that live normal, healthy lives. Josh

I am not even sure if it is brumation. He never went into it fully, but around Sept. slowed down, began to eat less. I got mixed opinions on forcing him NOT to b/c he was not yet a year old (turned one in Feb). But after awhile I felt I was messing with nature. I did bring him to the vet in Dec. to make sure it was not something else. So he just sort of stayed in this "semi-brumation." As for lights, he is on a timer, but falls asleep anywhere b/t 3pm and 5pm with the lights on! Or he will go hide in his t-shirt to sleep.

I live in NH and we just had tons of rain so couldn't get him outside. He was a little perkier today, but being a very picky eater. I am bringing him and another fecal to my ARAV vet tomorrow - waiting for him to call.

So no matter what I do he has not fully "snapped" out of it. If I take him out to wander around he always goes for a dark corner. I do sit him on the windowsill for sunshine (when we have it) with just the screen and if it is a little cool I put a spot light on him to keep him warm and still get the REAL UVB.

I also just ordered the 10.0 bulb - should be here today or tomorrow. Other than all of this I am at a loss. I have confidence in my ARAV vet (he cared for, Luna, my now-deceased cham).

Oh, btw, he gets bathed almost daily - he loves get spritzed and his baths (I do not keep a water bowl in his tank). Thanks!
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
1.0 Nosy Be Panther Chameleon - Cyrus
0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
1.1 Side-blotched lizards - Ana and Stan for now
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skippy
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh, Died 4/21/06
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha, donated to science 4/4/06
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

Hi
i used panacure for 1 year long.
8 times i gave it 2 times with 10 days between it.
every time it came back.
i sugest try out the parazap 7 days on 7 days of 7 days on .
i know for shure you wil be free of parasites.
almost wanna bett
because you need to repeat it10-14 days and then one egg can start every thing alover again.
with parazap the eggs get killed and they wil be expelled.
byeeeeeeee

hmmm...I was told parazap was a preventive rather than treatment, but I'll know more after seeing my GOOD vet tomorrow. thanks!
lele
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
1.0 Nosy Be Panther Chameleon - Cyrus
0.1 Veiled Chameleon - Luna. She's now hanging from her big jungle gym in the sky
1.0 Beardie - Darwin
1.1 Side-blotched lizards - Ana and Stan for now
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Lita
0.1 African Clawed Frog - Skippy
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula - Rosa Leigh, Died 4/21/06
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha, donated to science 4/4/06
?.? Pinktoe Tarantula - no name yet

Hi
parazap is also for treatment .
prefentif 5 days on a row each month .
treatment 7 days on 7 days of 7 days on parazap tea.
byeeeeeeee