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Opinions on what this is........

jlassiter May 16, 2006 06:53 PM

I picked this up a few years back as a het for lavender Floridana.......Do you guys think she is a 100% Floridana????

John Lassiter

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foxturtle May 16, 2006 07:42 PM

not a very "pretty" one, but certainly within the range of what I've found in the wild. Post a shot of its head, why dont ya?

jlassiter May 16, 2006 08:01 PM

Here is the closest i got to a head shot......

John Lassiter

ZFelicien May 16, 2006 09:40 PM

Looks 100% 2 me... i have Fl kings from various breeders... morphs, hets, and normals and she fits the part!

very nice snake at that, have u proved/disproved her genetics as yet?

~Z

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jlassiter May 16, 2006 09:55 PM

well,
Last year i bred her to my lavender male and got no lavender neonates out of 4 surviving eggs. She laid 9 eggs, but 5 went bad on me........i am trying to prove her genetics this season.....Hopefully she is actually het for lavender.....
John Lassiter

ChristopherD May 17, 2006 06:15 AM

i have been sold Lav Brooks that were not pure and the albino gene was more amel than lav.which would be non-alellic,to the Lav line of Tim Ricks which is thought to be true Fla.
with that in mind id be hesitant in calling that CB Het a true Fla.my first glance i had question,but it has fla . pattern.but so would a refined mutt i.e: mutt lav x Fla.= het Lav. here are my mutts in question(sold as Lav Brooks)

ZFelicien May 17, 2006 08:41 AM

"Mutts!"... but they are nice looking in my opinion! are they are pair? do u plan on ever breeding them... and what ever happened to those amel goini X cali crosses u had (was it u who had um?)...

~Z
Goini X Brooksi cross (het lavender)

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Lampropeltis23 May 17, 2006 09:04 AM

Actually, in scientific circles, this specimen would likely fall under the "peninsula integrade" category. True Florida's are what breeders seem to be stuck on calling "brooks". But thanks to Krysko and Means work we all know that the brooks are the true floridana's and what you have is an integrade of florida and easterns.

foxturtle May 17, 2006 11:12 AM

You may have your researchers/projects mixed up. Krysko and Means did work to determine there was a pure subspecies of Apalachicola kingsnake, and a population of intergrades surrounding it.

Krysko did work to determine that brooksi was not a distinct subspecies and was the same as floridana, that is, being the same as all these snakes that get called peninsular intergrades. It was another group of researchers (Blaney, and someone else) that had previous gone in and made the brooksi into the pure FL king and the rest into intergrades.

ChristopherD May 17, 2006 10:48 AM

they bred last year and a wholesaler took em as lemon kings(last post pic).Yes i still have the goini x cali which were sold as albino blotched i bought em in person at a show and figured them as hybrid project heres an old pic from my archives ,hope i load a good pic cause they are just a abbreviated name and number.(CaliGoinia PICs)

ZFelicien May 17, 2006 11:59 AM

any recent pix of these!

Thanx

~Z
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