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Thanks to everyone for your compliments, I did not produce these animals they were part of a large collection of animals, both hybrids and some incredible pure animals that I just purchased. The person from which they were obtained from has expressed his wish to remain nameless so I will honor that (sorry to everyone) Some of the projects that you have seen I will be producing this year and most will in 2007. There are still many more animals I have not photographed as of yet but will soon. Here's a few more...

Caifornia X Honduran X Campbelli

Another Guttata X Campbelli

The above animal is a perfect example of one reason hybrids are so hated, is it beautiful?....I think so, but it's almost impossible to tell from a pure amelanistic Honduran....If I were to sell this animal, the purchaser could, either through ignorance or hopes of a higher selling price, misrepresent this snake and no one would be the wiser. That's why the decision has already been made to raise this animal and breed it to other completely unrelated projects...producing animals with a distinct hybrid appearance...as keepers of hybrids we must work to better the image....sure I could sell this animal....I could honestly represent it, but two, three people down the line who knows? Therefore I try to only sell animals that exhibit obvious hybrid traits...that way mistakes can't be made and pure genepools won't be contaminated. The responsibilty lies with us. I have sold animals in the past that were difficult to identify, they were honestly represented and I made every effort to educate the person buying it what could happen if they don't keep good records but who knows what they really did? I have come to think that maybe animals that are hard to identify should not be released on the market or euthanized. I think we should all make efforts to sell only those animals from known parantage, with distinct appearances, and to people who plan to do the right thing in the future with the animals. Sorry for the sermon. Oh and the snake above...it's a Ruthveni X Campbelli

Here's another snake I just got...benn waiting for years for this one....any guesses?

Horridus@aol.com

but I'll let some others guess. Hi, Bart. very nice snakes. good luck with them. i'll let you know how my breeding goes this year. i have some bp eggs in the incubator and some colubrids ready to drop. talk to you soon. Rin

Thanks Rin, been keeping up with you sucess this year especially with the Balls....Thanks for the compliments....I am very happy with these snakes...only hard part is to decide who goes and who stays!

The white boy took his first meal for me last night, a pink rat...the quest for the 72" solid white ___________ has begun.

Great pics of great snakes and a great post. I agree, that it is best to try n make hybrids that are easy to identify as hybrids, I especially like aberrants and amels myself and those hybrids are often so crazy looking you'd guess hybrid before pure in many cases. I know what you "guess this snake" is....but I won't spoil it as I in a sense have an upper hand LOL. Glad you scored em though. REALLY looking forward to seeing what you produce in the next few years Tom Stevens
by the way I always feel it is best to honor someone elses request to remain un named, even if you take a beating for it, just ask me about the Albino Goini.........
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TomsSnakes.com

It would certainly have been easier for you to drop the names on that situation. I respect the way you handled it. i don't think I could do the same if everyone were calling me a liar. Regardless of the origin, they are incredible snakes....and i think, a perfect example of what an amelanistc goini should look like.

I wonder why that seems so implausable to people while they fully accept other WC animals....it appears that that Platinum Ball Python that Ralph Davis owns is a WC double mutation..one recessive one Co-dom....if THAT can happen in the wild ANYTHING can.

Thanks for not letting the cot....uh I mean cat out of the bag

B

Letting the "cottonmouth" out of the bag?

Ya know with some things people just have to be insistent that "it just can't be". Such silliness is not something I have time for, and I wasted a lot of my time on that one. I won't even be producing those this year, but when I do I will certainly like seeing the babies hatch. The bottom line is if someone asks you to respect their wishes and you agree, and then forget about what you promised........you are a four letter word... I can't wait to see more pics of those new Hybrids. Super nice stuff Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

i'm just a newbie but to me it looks like a leucistic rat snake or an albino rattlesnake, but i really think it's the former!

tom

n/p

Crotalus horridus
thats my guess

Abe.

n/p

i wish it was, i love timbers. thats the first lucy rattler ive ever seen, is it a edb?
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jake

my addiction:
1.1? normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1? amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

Is that a round pupil or just a wide eyed eliptical? Unless you really get down to scale counts I imagine it could be just about any leucistic rattler? I actually thought it was a copperhead. Now where did THAT come from?
Altogether great photos of really beautiful snakes. These have really no comparison except some examples on the milksnake forum. They talk about color on the kingsnake forum in various Brooks morphs-HA!! My question for corndurans and rat/king hybrids is what happens to the keeled/smooth scale mix? Are they slightly keeled, 50/50 each or is one more dominate? I can hardly imagine a more beautiful and worthy hybrid project than basically a reverse Okatee with the enhanced colors and smooth scales the hybrid could produce.

Why is the amount of color variation in Brooksi laughable? Have you seen them all? Sulfurs, Sulfur Snows, Peanut Butters. Jellies, Hybinos, 2 Axanthics, 1 Anery, Several variants of Hypos, Exreme Lavenders, not too mention the many different looks of normals. Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Please lets not start a flame war, but yes comparing the color intensity in Brooks morphs is kinda laughable compared to some of these hybrids as you would HAVE to admit. Speaking of flame, that’s a good example. It would seem to suggest a deep rich orange or some version of the colors you would see in a fire I guess, right? Isn’t it true it is more of a dull rusty color than red or orange? Maybe compared to a dull tan color it is a lot more orange, but come on, I have never seen a brooks I would call beautiful on par with any albino tri-color or that sort of beauty. That being said, I love Brooks as one of the best for maintenance and keeping as a true pet snake. The morphs are fantastic and there is much to come with them. Not so much in a rainbow of colors (peanut butter is not a colorful thing dude) but probably some pattern mutations as we can already see happening. My all time favorite is the patternless Goini. I would love to see the whitesided axanthic Brooks “borrow” the patternless gene. Not because the color would be so fantastic, but I think the less pattern a Brooks has, the better they look. There are just so many colorful things that blow them away hands down if you are just talking color. Just MHO please don’t take offense.

Nah, I would not get mad cause I think they're more colorful than you do....I know what you're saying but I think the new morphs like the PB will have variants in degree of color intensity for years to come, same goes with sulfur lavs and extreme lavs. I have to try ne get a good pic of my PB. One of my buddies thinks mine is unique. I only participate in wars when I am attacked, and knock on wood it has been a while. My opinion is Hybrids are most dramatic as far as color goes. Many who disagree know this ot be true but for whatever reason prefer to not give Hybrids any credibility and make idiotic statements about freezing them....and man does that piss me off
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

To refine those traits in Brooks will take so much patience that those breeders are to be very much admired for their dedication. It will take many years. I am in awe of those who can stick with it, and there should be much appreciation throughout the hobby(?) for that. It is amazing to me the dedication and thousands of dead rats you guys will go through and some kid will buy your finest efforts in a deli cup for 150. bucks a year later. I think that is some of the hybrid envy that exists when we try to short-cut several generations and stick a vanishing pattern Honduran in with a patternless goini to produce what will take a lot longer with strictly refining Hondurans to get that mythical solid red. That’s an example. While I admire those dedicated brooks (or really name your poison) breeders I check into this forum and equally admire the pictures of these frankenmilks. They are truly gorgeous snakes, as much as I understand why some people hate them, dang they are some really awesome looking snakes!

Vandeventer "Leuc"-ostoma? KK

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in english?
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jake

my addiction:
1.1? normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1? amelenistic corn snake (zyklon)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

I am certain it is a luecistic agkistrodon species...my guess would be copperhead, but since its' nose only comes to a slight point it may be a cottonmouth or an Asian species