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Although my snake was a burmese python, she killed herself by punctering some organs and bleeding internally to death. Sadayakko had been having problems for two monhs prior to her death, she wouldn't eat (had to be force fed) and would attack herself. But my question is: Do venamoids ever do this? because if they (since they are abused creatures) it may explain why Yakko went crazy, i have reason to believe her last owner abused her, and i was wondering if it caused her to go crazy. I never abused her. I need to know why she died before i can feel comfortable owning another snake.

Venomoids abused creatures? Could you please elaborate a litlle bit?
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Diego & Tiffany's Zoo
SNAKES
4.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
0.0.2 Rosy Boas (Mid Baja & Baja)
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
1.0.0 Western Hognose
0.1.0 Solomon Island Boa
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.0.1 Desert Phase Kingsnake
LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Turquoise Sunburst Veiled Chameleon
0.0.3 Leopard Geckos
1.1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx

I seriously doubt snakes have the ability to "remember" abuse. Actually, what you describe sounds more like a classic case of IBD, in which case I hope you don't have any other pythons, and you need to completely disinfect your cage(s). It's one of the worst things a python can get, is nearly always fatal, and is not curable.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

what is ibd?

IBD is inclusion body disease, a very serious disease that can hit boas and pythons. The link below is the first google hit for a search on it, and has some info!
Link

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0.0.1 Normal corn snake (Frito)
0.0.1 Creamsicle corn (Tang)
0.0.1 Ghost corn (Raynham)
1.1 Bay of LA rosy boas (Rivet and Cali)

Learn something new everyday! I was not familiar with that term. Thanks for the e-mail.
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Diego & Tiffany's Zoo
SNAKES
4.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
0.0.2 Rosy Boas (Mid Baja & Baja)
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
1.0.0 Western Hognose
0.1.0 Solomon Island Boa
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.0.1 Desert Phase Kingsnake
LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Turquoise Sunburst Veiled Chameleon
0.0.3 Leopard Geckos
1.1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx

of either IBD or other intrusive disease that does the same as the snake appears to be attacking itself. The verdict is out and debatable of IBD or pseudo disease that resembles same affliction of IBD in other species of snakes. Several times of past I have lost near collections of venomous due to an intrusive disease and where the snakes " attacked themselves". No doubt whether it is IBD or other, it is with neurological problems on the snake and as mentioned, very serious as far as spreading if husbandry is not checked or in order. Most cases of these diseases are with wild caught species added to captivity and therefore spread through the kept other snakes in ones collection.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

My first experience with IBD was when it had not yet been named, back in the late 70's. It was just called "Stargazing", and most of the work since has been done by Dr. Elliot Jacobsen at U of Fl.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

very true if the name still sticks ( stargazing ). My first encounter with IBD or the look-a-like was with my venomous collection back in the early 70ties with a quad of the Mexican Rock Rattlers that brought it in and almost totaled my collection due to my bad husbandry of using snake tongs to remove and replace water containers from cage to cage. Yes I used proper quarantine procedures but totally forgot about cross contamination of snake clamps of changing water bowls ! My loss !
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

I forgot rattlers got it. I remember now. When you saw the stargaszing, it was too late
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Sounds an awful lot like what happened to my Chinese Red Bellied Water Snakes - Sinonatrix annularis.

The first one was swimming around biting itself on the body and tail, and the second one started eating his substrate and swimming sideways like a dying goldfish.

They both had periods of what I guess could only be described as the Stargazing you're all referring to.

Guy at the store said they probably envenomated themselves or each other, but this sounds more likely.

Either way, it is no fun.
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
4.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
0.0.2 Rosy Boas (Mid Baja & Baja)
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.2.0 Solomon Island Boas
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.0.1 Desert Phase Kingsnake
LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Turquoise Sunburst Veiled Chameleon
1.0.3 Leopard Geckos
1.1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx

what ever it is > it has high effects on species ( other than boas and pythons ) some species of kingsnakes , gray banded, and crotalus, rattlesnakes. AND it appears to effect more of the desert species of both. At least in my observation and keeping.
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I may be old , cantankerous, crabby, and cynical, but......

"Guy at the store said they probably envenomated themselves or each other"

I'd have to find a new store. What an idiot.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
1.1 Woma (Juvie female)
2.1 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.0 Angolan Juvie
1.1 Savu
1.1 Juvie Bloods
1.1 Juvie Balls
1.1 IJ Carpets
1.1 Coastal Carpets
1.2 Macklotts
1.1 Papuan Olives
1.0 Jungle Carpet
2.2 Scrubs (on breeding loan)
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC