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Ok, I've been thinking about the genetics quesiton I had answered. The answer came to...

1/16 het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/16 Anery A, het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/8 het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/8 Anery A, het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/16 Amel, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/16 Amel, Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/8 Amel, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/8 Amel, Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/16 Motley, het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/16 Anery A, Motley, het. Amel, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/16 Amel, Motley, het. Anery A, het. Stripe, het. Hypo
1/16 Amel, Anery A, Motley, het. Stripe, het. Hypo

But, let's assume that the wierd colored corn below is some sort of amel striped, or shares some gene with the dad. So, I'd have an amel striped het ghost crossed with about the same snake, making all the babies amel striped het ghost, right? That's a broad assumption, but let's go with it. Ok, now the trick question.

Let's say that I've come across a new gene or something. Say this corn, with a vanishing pattern but almost looks like she's made of chocolate, is actually a new phenotype or whatever the word is. How do I go about proving that? Should I keep all 11 hatchlings, and breed them back to eachother? Is that safe to do, since this is a generation of dad to daughter? How did Kathy or Don "prove" amel, or anery A, or all the other stuff that's out there? By now we are on an amazing amount of proven hets, but how exactly is that done? What if I have a new, wierd type of corn here?

Help!

AJ

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

Any chance of that snake having some everglades rat in her? Do you know her background at all?

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Occupants not paying rent:
1.1. balls
1.1 corns
1 everglades rat
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

She is 100% corn. I know her parents, and her grandparents. Unless the rat comes WAAAAY back, I know for three generations there is no other blood in her than corn.

Mom is a ghost het amel and motley, dad is an amel striped het anery. There is no chance they are related, bought one in KC, one in STL two years apart. The babies all came out either amel or anery, and most were striped or hurricane. Just a plethera of different babies. BTW, I bred those two again this year, she's expecting to lay in a week or two. Anyway, all her clutchmates looked like normal amels or anery, albeit striped or hurricanes.

Any other thoughts?

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

How do you prove it? If it is a simple recessive trait then it should pop up in the f2 generation. Or if you breed one of her offspring back to her. BTW what is that brown snake in the far right of the pic?
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
0.0.1 Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

As we say in Missouri, "I ain't goin back to Missouri!"

kinda looks like a cubed motley normal corn, to me.
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****Misty****

Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

1.1.2 bearded dragons
1.1.1 water dragons
0.0.5 leopard geckos
7.18.4 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.5.0 king snakes
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Leucistic rat snakes
0.0.1 royal (ball) python
1.1.0 red headed agamas
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

Pretty cool pic. Kinda drives home the point he's making.

That wierd brown snake is this snake pictured just hatched out. Since I hatched her three years ago, I've never gotten a good answer on what the heck she is. Check that last picture, then look at her now, and tell me, what the heck kinda corn is she???

AJ

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

Looks like a striped normal in my opinion, perhaps with a little vanishing pattern. Or maybe even a striped hypo since its more of a brownish color.

Also you said something about amel striped het ghost X amel striped het ghost = all amel striped het ghosts. That's definitely NOT the case. All offspring would be amel striped, but on top of that, you'd have the 9:3:3:1 ratio for anery and hypo.

9: amel striped poss. het anery het hypo
3: amel striped anery poss. het hypo (striped snow poss. het hypo)
3: amel striped hypo poss. het anery (striped hybino poss. het anery)
1: amel striped ghost (quadruple homozygous striped "pearl"

Then I believe you said motley was also in there somewhere... Hope this helps
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~Venom~

Hybrid Breeders Association

What was that? Striped Pearl? What the heck is a pearl corn snake?

From that ratio, are you saying that I'd have 3 amel striped anery. What's an amel striped anery? Wouldn't that be a snow striped?

This crap is so confusing.

AJ

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

Ok, you see her as a hatchling, with somewhat of a pattern, but obviously different colors than the hatch-mates. You see that she was with a bunch of amels and stripes, and anerys and normals and everything. Now you have pictures of her entire body as an adult, with no pattern, and basically brown as can be. Looks like a chocolate snake basically.

So, what is she??? No one can answer that! I can't wait to see what happens with the hatchlings from breeding back to her dad, but what am I gonna get? Oh yea, this is her about a year after hatching with another from that clutch.

Please help. Soon. I get married Sunday, and will be off line for a week.

AJ

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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

I can actually see some of the cube pattern on her in that pic. From what I am reading, most people are telling you what she is most likely, and it does not sound like anything new or too terribly special. Ya, she is cool looking and not many people have vanishing patterned corn snakes. But, that is what she is. It seems you just don't like the answers we are giving you.
The truth of the matter, we can not be 100% sure of her herritage. You say you know, so, thats what she is.
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****Misty****

Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.

1.1.2 bearded dragons
1.1.1 water dragons
0.0.5 leopard geckos
7.18.4 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.5.0 king snakes
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Leucistic rat snakes
0.0.1 royal (ball) python
1.1.0 red headed agamas
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

not like my 2 cents are worth anything....but if it were up to me i'd say it was a vanishing pattern normal(classic) het for amel and anery. but thats just me..no one get mad at me... just my 2 cents
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard (no name yet...any ideas welcome)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLE~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)

I'd like EVERYONE's two cents. I can definately go with normal vanishing patterned, I'm just tryin' my best to get responses from everyone. Thanks!
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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)

I still say vanishing pattern normal. You don't seem to be satisfied with that though. Well.... why don't you breed for a few more generations and see what pops out.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
0.0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Onyx"
0.0.1 Black Ratsnake "Molly" (Flogging Molly)

As we say in Missouri, "I ain't goin back to Missouri!"

I'm definately breeding a few more generations and such, but it's such a long process, I'm like a two year old, I wanna know NOW! (Sorry, been hangin' out with my three nephews too much...)

Thanks for all the input guys and gals, this has to be the best forum on kingsnake.com.
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1.0 Hypo Okeetee - Wesley (Princess Bride)
0.1 Ghost - Sydney (Scream)
2.0 Striped Amel - Jay and Aiden (Kevin Smith movies)
1.0 Snow - Silent Bob (Kevin Smith movies) R.I.P. 5-30-05
0.1 Anery - Columbia (Rocky Horror)
1.0 Creamcicle - Brandon (Mallrats)
0.1 Zig Zag Anery - Pepper (didn't name her)
0.1 Normal - Bindy (Croc. Hunter)
0.1 Motley - Craven (Underworld)