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WHY CAN"T I FIND A SHARP ALBINO BOA???

michaelburton Jul 31, 2003 12:17 PM

I reserved a Male Sharp Albino with three different big breeders, so I could get at least two. I even sent a downpayment And all three fell through. Slugs I guess. Why can't I find them?
Mike

Replies (10)

Thomas S. Jul 31, 2003 12:29 PM

>>I reserved a Male Sharp Albino with three different big breeders, so I could get at least two. I even sent a downpayment And all three fell through. Slugs I guess. Why can't I find them?
>>Mike
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JMHO, FWIW, YMMV.

Randy Bush Jul 31, 2003 12:42 PM

I am pretty educated on albinos and all the other morphs.Why is it that Sharp strains are so rare? Didn't the sharp strain and Kahl strain come about around the same time?So,a question to albino breeders with both strains;does it appear that typically Kahl strain is more productive or less health issues or what?I know people want what they can't have,I was even on a few lists for Sharp strain,but it appears they are not as hardy as the Kahl line.So,if you are lucky enough to land a pair,you might not have good luck producing them.Just my thoughts and a few questions.

Randy Bush

Boa Aficionado Jul 31, 2003 01:34 PM

Not sure if that is true or not, but they sure do hold their colors nicely.
*Mom Sharp and one of here babies*
: )
Nick

Randy Bush Jul 31, 2003 01:43 PM

I actually bought and payed for a pair of hets from that litter.The guy e-mailed me back and said he recounted and the last 2 he had were both males instead of a pair like he had originally thought.He had to refund my money.That sucked to say the least! Why in the world you didn't sell them individually and ship them;I'll never know.I believe he sold the entire litter in like 3 hrs.If you change your mind about taking a box to fedex I would love to buy a pair of hets from you.Shipping via fedex is SUPER easy,they will even come to your house to pick up the package.Later..

Randy Bush

Mickey_TLK Jul 31, 2003 07:54 PM

Man I had a deal TWICE for a male from that group from the guy he sold them too, and still didnt get my animal. What a bummer.

Anyways, from what I have heard the sharp strains came around from a female albino while the kahls were from a male. This is important for a couple of reasons. First the obvious. If you have a female that starts a morph, you can only breed her one time the first season, maybe not the second season, and once again the third (or one, one, none). However with a male you can get multiple breedings (not sure exactly how many females he could service, but very likely more then one). This means the first season more hets are produced with the male (kahl) then the female (sharp). Obviously this would continue year after year, untill finally enough albinos are available to bring production up.

In my opinion it is only a matter of time before the sharps are as readily available as the kahls. Also a number of breeders are shooting for dhs with the sharps rather then albinos. This too has put a kink into the number of sharps produced this season.

Hey nick, screw the box, if you decide to sell of the holdbacks, give a guy who worked his a@@ off for a shot at a snake (to keep not sell or broker...lol) a shot. LMAO....I know if you do its a bidding war.

Mickey Hinkle
The Lizard King Reptiles

steve.AC Aug 01, 2003 02:32 AM

Hi from europe

You know, when my friend and I purchased some albino boas we noticed after a while that they were growing realy slow, mine is over 2 years old and still very young looking in size, we had trouble in the beginning with regurgitating, but not now. My friend has recently bought a pair of sharp strains from Germany, and he says they seem much more hardy than the original strain, they are growing quicker and are already the same size or larger than the original strain. who knows what makes the diffrence in their strengh, and hardiness. the price was about 5000 euros for the sharps, expensive but they are quite new here in Europe.

I think we all should be outbreeding albino's with hets or normal boas, but alot of people want to just breed the 2 albino's together so they can sell the babies and make money quicker. I really think so.

good luck

steve

PRegius999 Aug 03, 2003 03:27 AM

From what I can remember (I think it was Brian Sharp's webpage) The Sharp strain originated from a pair of Kahl Albinos breeding..... It was not imported... It was created right in the Sharp's Facility..... If I can remember... Kahl acquired the Albino Boa in 1990, and the Sharp Albino was born in 93-95????? As far as I know... Brian Sharp did try breeding Sharp Albino to Kahl Albino and produced all normal babies, thus making them double-hets for both Albinism. I dont know either if the DHs Sharp produced were bred back to each other. Sharp originally thought that his Sharp Albino was a Tyrosinase Positive Albino due to the deep colors being retained. I do not know if he still believes them to be Tyrosinase-Positive seeing how VPI acquired and started the Tyrosinase-Positive Albino lineage.

April is correct about the gene alleles location being different in the dna.... Its just like there are three forms of Axanthism in Ball Pythons (VPI, Sutherlands, and Jolliff) yet they are not compatiable.

I hope this helps some and if Im wrong somewhere, please let me know!

JDouglas Jul 31, 2003 08:40 PM

I also had a Sharp strain albino reserved fom Cypress Creek but unfortunately they didn't produce. I also posted a want ad for Sharp stay albinos and hets in the classifieds with no response from anyone. This leads ne to beleive there are not many being produced this year, and many Sharp strain albinos are being bred to make double hets instead of just albinos. Oh well, maybe next year?
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Jaremy Douglas

East TN Reptile Jul 31, 2003 11:19 PM

Where did the Sharp Albino originate? I know Brian Sharp but was it just born one day,imported..................what? And why is it when ya breed Kahl to Sharp, ya don't get Albino's? I'm only asking cause................. I don't know the answer
If my memory surves me correct (unlikely) wasn't PK's albino wild caught & sold for $25,000, which @ the time was the most ever spent on a snake?
My hat is truely off to Pete & Brian............... they are definitly a great asset to hobbiest & breeders of the world.
Take Care,
Dave Derrick

AbsoluteApril Aug 01, 2003 11:19 AM

> Where did the Sharp Albino originate?

I believe imported

> And why is it when ya breed Kahl to Sharp, ya don't get Albinos?

they are diff. strains of albino and not compatable. (meaning
the gene alles are not located in the same place in the DNA
or something like that... lol I sound very educated this morning)
When kahl is bred with sharp, you get double hets. I know this
has been done but I do not know if the dhs were bred back
to each other.

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