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Does anyone have these or does anyone have info on these???
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**Here are a couple of babies from my last litter. Enjoy!

I have to say those boas are just GORGEOUS!!! VERY nice!!
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Paula
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Chris is correct. The trait is recessive and very different from the common hypos/salmons. I also believe that the adults are more impressive than the babies, which is often the opposite with the dominant version of hypo. It is a trait that is not often discussed, but is legitimate.

Phil Goss

While the original poster is working on the photo problem (I hope), could either of you try toexplain how they look, please? : )

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Caden

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Mike W "Basically Boas" Carmel

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Chris & Alliey
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it's not the same one, but I couldn't get it to work off of my email.

Back in March 0f 2001, Sharon Moore (Boawomen) produced a litter of 50/50 Carmel Hypos and Hets. This litter caused alot of controversy because when see posted them see called them Hypos. This is one reason why the name was changed to Carmels or Carmel Hypos. I believe there were 9 Carmels produced. Of the 9 produced I think only five are around today, two males and three females. One of those females belongs to me. My female was far from being the pick of the litter and had alot more speckles. I produced a litter last year of het Carmels with my female. Since 2001 there has yet to be another litter of Carmels produced.

As babies the Carmels look very much like Hypos, with a little more black in the tail. As adults I think, and my opinion only, they look more like some adult T+ Albinos that I have seen. I think it is kind of early to say exactly what is going on in this trait due to the limited amount of animals.

I have attached some pictures of some of my animals. The first picture is one of my females babies (Het Carmel) and the second picture is of the Carmel litter produced in 2001 (picture was taken by Sharon Moore). The third picture is of my adult female; picture was taken last year after having her litter.

Hopes this helps some.

Maybe Mike W. can add some other information or correct me if some of my numbers are wrong.

Steve

Sharon Moore is the Boawoman. She is one of the nicest Boa people on the planet by the way, is one of the true pioneers of Boa Constrictor breeders. I believe she produced her first baby Boas in the 70's before I even owned one. She and a fellow named Ed Stone are the only two Boa people that are still in the hobby that produced Boas back that far that I am aware of.

Sharon was producing these "Carmel Hypos" at least 10 or maybe 12 years ago. She sent me photographs of them way way back of litters of babies that had a small number with that clear difference from the others. I believe she kept all of them from the early litters. Those were the days when we Boa breeders were pretty unsophisticated regarding genetics. Simple recessive was a concept that most of us could comprehend, but I never heard the word dominant or co-dominant until around 1997 or 1998. This was more than ten years after the father of all Hypos, Dr. David Hardy, had been producing them using a female he had personally collected in Panama in the early 1980's. We learned what dominant meant in regards to the Orange Tail/Salmon Hypos.

That being said, Sharon produced few additional babies not knowing exactly what to do to make it happen again. I am 99% sure that Sharon was doing group breeding so she did not know who the father of the original "Carmel Hypos" was. It has been a long road for folks getting these wonderful animals.

Nobody knows what the potential is with these kids yet. What if this gene was infused with T-Positive Albinos? What would result? What if it was put together with the other more widely known Hypo gene? What would happen? Again, nobody knows those answers yet.

I have two females that I received directly from Sharon Moore about 10 years ago. One of those females is gravid now. She may or may not be a het. There is an outside chance that she could be. Who bred her? Well, one of those Carmel Hypos from the litter she had in 2001 is mine and he bred her this year. She is due July 24th and is looking good so far. We are hoping she is a het but will be content to just produce hets. Next year I plan to breed him with a Hypo and make Double hets for Hypo/"Carmels". We shall see... I am not sure but he may be one of these little guys in the photograph below:

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