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Heres a pic of my adult male Western Coral Cobra. As you can see, he has a very strong lubricus look to him and has managed to retain some nice red and orange. As a baby, he looked almost exactly like a lubricus.

Also, out of all of my Coral Cobras he is the calmest, well, next to my big female lubricus. Very mild mannored and he eats great!!

Awesome, underated snake.

Hope you like,
Jeremy

Heres a feeding pic.

and the last one I swear!

So what is this???:

the reason I ask is this... is A. l. infuscatus that variable, or are some of the "infuscatus" actually infuscatus X lubricus integrades??? I have 1.3 of these tan and black animals with dark black heads, and I've always thought of them as A. l. infuscatus...

Just curious what the opinions on this are....

At any rate, that is a very pretty snake no matter what it is called

Definately infuscatus. These black headed ones or the easiest to reconize. In Europe we have a lot of intergrades too. Aspidelaps lubricus infuscatus is known for its black head althouth some can look like the nominate form. To be sure you can count the ventrals (the scales on the belly) and caudals (behind cloaca)

Asp. l. lubricus 142 - 168 ventrals 20 - 28 caudals
Asp. l. infuscatus 149 - 168 ventrals 27 - 36 caudals

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Cheers,
Harold

www.venominal.tk

As CC mentioned, there is alot of varients within the ssp infuscatus. Ive seen everything from animals that look ALMOST identicle to lubricus al the way to your typical ones. I think the main characteristic is the fadeing pattern and poorly defined banding. Also, some sort of darkening of thre head. Even my infscatus's head has much less defind markings and darker coloration then the lubricus. (as a side note, it seems most of the infuscatus I have seen which were similar to mine had two pinkish spots on the head. They have seemed to have faded in my male but when he was a neo, they were very apparent and I have seen simlar adults retain it. Havent seen this in any lubricus though)

As for intergrades, the bulk that I have seen were bright red or orange in base color but with the scattered banding almost ideticle to yours and a pitch blk head. Kinda neat looking if ya ask me. I think bud produced some awhile back and may have a pic if you want to see what im reffering too)

Its really hard to tell when you have a neonate, expecially like the one I have(which is now an adult). He was identicle to a lubricus but as he grew, darkend and faded (though not all that much compared to some). Even Susan Hunter told me I was full of it and had a lubProved her wrong!!! LOL Susan!!

BTW, glad you dug the lubricus pic. I now have a trio of lubs, 1 male infuscatus and im picking up 4 neonate lubricus in Daytona. Should have a nice breeding colony the year after next.

J