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i know you guys must be sick in tired about burm/everglades post but where have you guys seen any out there? where would one have the best luck?

Best look at the areas near roads as that presumably would be point of introduction. Good luck. I would join you but I'm hunting 'gators in New York City sewers

lol

I haven't seen any myself, but I've been out to an area just outside the park with the thought of searching for them. It took me 5 minutes to decide that the habitat was excelent for several miles in every direction and another 30 seconds to determine that it was so good that there could be a 100 of them within 50 feet of me and the only way I would find one would be to step on it by accident... In most places the vegitation was maybe a foot high, but you couldn't see your own feet.

I did stumble into a flock of butterflies though...

are you by any chance everglades outpost Larry?

Look what you started over on the venomous forum! Big discussion about Burmese over there. You want to find Burmese? According to published articles they have caused an uproar right in public at Pa-hay-okee Overlook and Anhinga Trail in witnessed battles with park alligators. Mighty suspicious these unbelievably rare occurances happen in the most frequented public tourist spots in the entire park. Just down the road from the Outpost, eh? Hey I wonder if they have destroyed any Burmese there or if they just let them go? I worked at Animal Control here in Broward and I can tell you animal lovers don’t like killing animals. We always let the stuff go somewhere. Who is killing the feral Burmese and what do they do with the carcasses? Are they recording stomach contents and all that?

>>Mighty suspicious these unbelievably rare occurances happen in the most frequented public tourist spots in the entire park.

Or you could say that the fact that there are no reports of battles that noone saw seems fairly obvious.

>>Hey I wonder if they have destroyed any Burmese there or if they just let them go? I worked at Animal Control here in Broward and I can tell you animal lovers don’t like killing animals. We always let the stuff go somewhere. Who is killing the feral Burmese and what do they do with the carcasses? Are they recording stomach contents and all that?

No, we haven't been recording stomach contents, but that's a good point and maybe we should start. We don't release anything non-native, and personally I won't even release native stuff unless it's from the immediate area. Besides, why would we release feral burmese when we have hungry king cobras to feed... (Note: We don't do that with pets people drop off, but we don't release them either. If they're healthy and a volunteer doesn't take them, they go to a nearby facility that has a large display.)

If you're in the habbit of breaking state law, that's your business.

Hey good points all. I guess I am hoping like mad that there is some other explanation or conspiracy theory other than the presumed case that because of the pet trade in exotics we have a major problem. If it is true that there have been pythons, boas and anacondas, and I would presume a little of everything that has been regularly imported, I guess it would take this many years to manifest itself into what we have today. The Burmese is the glamour guy at the moment, I’m sure it will be old news soon and we will be focusing on piranhas that the little kids will be catching in canals this summer, or maybe those anacondas will start showing up in numbers. I guess maybe the Burmese has the right combination of what it takes to thrive here? Or maybe it is just a matter of time for everything else to be just as evident.
And by the way, I admit that as a teenager I kept gators and indigos and everything else with or without permits and all that. I did have a venomous permit (they sent me an exhibitors permit by mistake) which I had before I ever kept a hot, and then kept all my hots without one. We transported them wrong, kept them wrong, tried to breed them wrong, treated them wrong, we caught them by waving our hand in front of their face and grabbing them (Bill Haast style!) We learned all by trial and error and experience. That was then, a very long time ago. I think we are all way more advanced than that now, at least I hope so...

Besides, why would we release feral burmese when we have hungry king cobras to feed... LF

Why would you breed burms when theres so many feral burms and cast offs that you don`t know what to do with them all ? Ernie Eison

>>Why would you breed burms when theres so many feral burms and cast offs that you don`t know what to do with them all ? Ernie Eison

If you're referring to another thread, we did not intend to bred them, we just didn't have space to keep them seperate. As long as the eggs were there, we set them aside and figured if they hatched we might as well wholesale any offspring to bring in a few bucks for the refuge. I'm undecided on whether that was the right decision.

It's recently been pointed out to me that burms are still being imported for some reason. Did the 20-30 burms that we MAY have prevented from being imported make up for us adding to the oversales of burms here? I'm not sure...

Hey LarryF you are right there in the thick of things, I guess. Curious did the breeding take place at your facility without any effort on your part, as in cooling and all that? Are these ferals kept together under the same temps they occur in the wild there? I guess if they will breed in captivity under less than optimal conditions (for production sake) there sure as heck is no reason to believe they aren’t doing it in a thicket down the road. What’s your knowledge of very small burms being found there?

" we just didn't have space to keep them seperate." Lf

Ok who didn't`t see that answer coming?You didn't need to say that I could have told you that's what you would say.So with all the snake experience the guys there have and the fact that they've been breeding burms there for years the same way and this was just an accident? Your starting to sound like FWC.Sure you need some big snakes for the display so why not keep two males or females instead of pairing them up if your not intending to breed them.Let me guess you have no body to sex them.

bring in a few bucks for the refuge. I'm undecided on whether that was the right decision. LF

That was the idea all along .Why act like something wrong was done ? The only wrong is double talking.So you got caught being a bit of a hypocrite .Instead of compounding things by trying to double talk your way out .Tell it like it is. I understand how tight things are and every little bit matters .I'll say flat out NO , whatever you guys produce doesn't make a difference in the big picture it means nothing but it helps a little to keep the Outpost going and that's a good thing to be sure. It's not easy for you guys to make it.They bred them because the place needs every dime it can generate. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that . Ernie Eison

Um, no. What I meant was that that was why we allowed the eggs to hatch instead of going out of our way to destroy them, and that was all.

There is no double talk in what I said above unless you specifically think I'm lying about some particular point. The only thing I can say to that is that you obviously don't know me...

One thing I guess I was not clear about was that, if I remember right, (it's been several years) I don't think the burms that bred were feral, but were donated pets. We generally don't keep the ferals around, but we try our best to take care of donated pets. One large pen was all we had that was suitable for larger burms at the time, so 3 or 4 of them were in there together for a while. Sexing was not the issue, a place to put them was.

That would be me.

But were they "established" butterflies...or merely escapies from some petshop??? LOL

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Take that!!! LOL

AT LAST!!!!!!

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Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I don't see no stnking problem meng.

LOL....makes for good wallpaper!

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."