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..of babies! Just got home this morning to find first these terciopelos in the Neodesha....

There were 17 live (so far) babies and a half dozen or so stillborns, or possibly live that were crushed by the adults. I still haven't totaled the cage yet to check inside the hide box, so there may be a few more.

Then, I noticed a tiny mess in the Hutmanni box and open it up to find what I thought was a single baby coiled in the corner, only to move the adults and find 8 BABY HOGNOSE VIPERS (Porthidium l. hutmanni)!!!

I never witnessed copulation and the adults are just 3 years old. I was awstruck that these snakes produced, and with no special light/temp/or humidity cycles...just occasional misting.

Anyway, I'm exhausted and will post Costa Rica trip pics later.

MH

Congrats, Matt.

In the small confines of a cage, is it to be expected that some newborns would be crushed?

Steve

..yeah, I'm not surprised. The adult trio is kept in a 6' Neodesha. The mother of the babies was a smaller 6' female but most likely the babies were crushed by the larger snake, a 7' , 12-15lb snake(Dean Ripa stock) that was in shed.

BTW...Randal, she's now pretty clean if you still want me to take some pics of her for the IHS talk.

Matt

Bring a couple to Dinosaur tonight.

4.14 neonates. I found one more this morning in the cage. I'm baffled at the high number of females!

I'm curious too.
Are you probing them?
Randal

No Randal, I haven't. I'm using the 'Yellow Tail Tip' method that Alejandro Solorzano came up with years ago. If I probe them and it comes out different, then the theory that all the yellow tailed neonates are males, is incorrect.

Hi Matt:

What a very pleasent surprise! Congrats!! Welcome back

Al
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CONGRATS Matt!

Randal

Good to see you back; hope you had a great trip. Those are always nice surprises when they happen....very nice!!

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>..of babies! Just got home this morning to find first these terciopelos in the Neodesha....
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>>There were 17 live (so far) babies and a half dozen or so stillborns, or possibly live that were crushed by the adults. I still haven't totaled the cage yet to check inside the hide box, so there may be a few more.
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>>Then, I noticed a tiny mess in the Hutmanni box and open it up to find what I thought was a single baby coiled in the corner, only to move the adults and find 8 BABY HOGNOSE VIPERS (Porthidium l. hutmanni)!!!
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>>I never witnessed copulation and the adults are just 3 years old. I was awstruck that these snakes produced, and with no special light/temp/or humidity cycles...just occasional misting.
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>>Anyway, I'm exhausted and will post Costa Rica trip pics later.
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>>MH
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

NICE!!!

Dude Thats Hot!
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