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shovel nosed snakes

jyohe Jun 03, 2006 07:14 PM

ok...I got some shovel noseds today at the show.......always liked the little odd stuff so I figured I better shutup and actually buy some now that I see them.......(shovel,patchnosed,longnoseds etc)......couldn't believe there wasn't one long nosed there.?.........wow.....

....so I was told shovel nose eat crickets and another guy told me he had them for a few years before and they ate mealworms......

what do they eat?....

do they actually eat ? (wild caught)....small

what all do I need to know to keep them alive and growing?....

Thanxx for any info..........(I am off to look for care sheet for them)......

Thanxx...........
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JYReptiles

Scales-N-Tails Reptiles ltd........Pa

Replies (7)

aliceinwl Jun 04, 2006 01:37 AM

I've had a mojave shovel-nosed for a little over a year now. So far, I can only get mine to consistantly eat crickets (which he does with gusto). I've heard of others having success with mealworms and waxworms in addition to crickets (mine does occaisionally take waxworms). De-winged moths are also readily consumed. It's important to gutload feeder insects before offering them to your snake. I've found that fish flakes and an orange slice for moisture work well for crickets. I also believe that it is important to dust feeder insects with high quality supplements (I use and recommend rep-cal and herptivite). Removing the rear hoppers can make crickets more appealing (especially large ones, relative to the size of your snake).

I keep mine in a 5 gallon short tank with about two inches of sand for substrate, a cobra undertank heater along one side (I prefer the side to the bottom since these guys would typically do things like burrowing to escape heat), and a slab of cork bark that occupies about a 1/3rd of the floor space, and a small clay saucer for a water dish. They appear to favor insects that they can swallow with ease so try to offer insects that are no bigger in girth than your snake.

When I was initially trying to get mine feeding, I had good success cupping him in a delicup with an appropriately sized prey item, it would usually be gone within an hour. They tend to abraid their noses in the cup, so only do it if you feel it's necessary. It's also a good idea to count out how many feeders you put in, so that you can tell if they are being consumed. I rarely see mine above the surface let alone eating, so this will really help you monitor consumption. Mine probably consumes in the neighborhood of a dozen crickets a week.

Hope this helps and good luck,
Alice

jyohe Jun 04, 2006 12:10 PM

Thanxx alot.......

I read up what I could on them and have yet to actually find out what species /sub-species I have.....none look the same .....
mine are black and orange banded........but not like the one I found.....I forget the name as of right now.(I am on mouse cleaning break at the momment so I am brain dead.LOL)....mine are bright orange banded and the one is off white with black bands and black stippling in the white bands making a sort of other band.....

.....I used cypress and then read about the and deal......hhhhmmmm ......

I have them at 85.....I think I shold drop them down a row or two in the rack........

Thanxx again.........I am going to try crickets soon as I can get some.........they have mealworms in with them at all times now .......I had a thought of earwigs last night when I saw one at the back door.......

maybe even wingless mayflies,,,,,????
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JYReptiles

Scales-N-Tails Reptiles ltd........Pa

aliceinwl Jun 04, 2006 06:19 PM

In the wild, I've always found them in sandy areas. Try a diversity of prey items, yours may not be as picky as mine, but don't neglect the gutloading and vitamin supplementing, I have a feeling that the neglect of these things is the reason a lot of keepers don't have good longterm survival rates with insectivorous snakes. My cage is at room temp: 70's to low 80's depending on season and the heat pad runs at about 100. After a big meal, I'll often see a few protruding coils pressed up against the back wall where the pad is attached. Since you're maintaining yours in a rack, I'd take pains to make sure the enclosure is well ventilated (since these snakes come from pretty arid regions, I'm not sure how tolerant they would be of humidity), a switch to a dry substrate like sand may facilitate this. I use sand that I gather locally from the back dunes along the coast, I would not recommend using any of the "digestible" sand products as these are usually anything but.

-Alice

jyohe Jun 05, 2006 04:56 PM

Thanxx again.......amazing noone else knows anything about these........

.........hhhmmmmmmmm I am probably not going to have happy snakes.........my room is really humid......

I am going to drop their temp a couple degrees......

I have crickets right now and am trying them on that....

.......I need sand......they do NOT like cypress.....they are on top of it.....it is too humid also.......for all others who will try these animals.......

Thanxx again........

.........they also had "western red belly ringnecks" at the show......like 15 at least.......a whole $7 each.......wow....really makes it worth taking them from the wild.........(all adults).....
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JYReptiles

Scales-N-Tails Reptiles ltd........Pa

aliceinwl Jun 05, 2006 08:53 PM

You might want to go for a tank with a screen top or just offer water weekly rather than leaving a bowl in the cage.

Just to give credit where credit is due, I actually got most of my husbandry info from another poster to the forum over a year ago.

Nevada is the only state in the range that allows commercial collection. In Nevada both the mojave and Nevada subspecies occur, neither of which are noted for their red or brown secondary bands. These bands are noted in the Colorado desert subspecies which occurs in California and Arizona.

Good luck!
Alice

rhallman Jun 06, 2006 12:27 PM

Nevada does require a commercial permit in addition to the nongame permit required to collect or possess native species. If you keep native species the nongame permit must be renewed annually as does the commercial permit. I believe the commercial permit is a little over 100 dollars. The State requires numerical documentation of all animals collected for commercial purposes. Of the several Nevada sellers I have seen only one had a permit.
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Randy Hallman
Firehouse Herps

jojorama0 Aug 05, 2006 02:07 PM

Hi
I hope you do not mind me contacting you but whilst trawling the web for info I came across your postings.

Yesterday whilst gardening (we are in the California desert - San Diego County) we found a Colorado Desert Shovel Nosed Snake. My little boy has fallen in love and desperately wants to keep it.

I am unsure as to whether this is okay or not and also how to house it/feed it etc.. Can you point me in the right direction?!

Thanks, Jo

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