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These also hatched yesterday. There from an extreme hypo to a normal hypo. Ill post some of these after they shed as well.

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Those are some really nice hypos, if coastal plains milks were not so hard to get started I would have some myslef. Any pics of the parents?

Vinny
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I,ll put some on in a few days.

Sweet.

Congrats.
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Mike
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Congrats, very nice. The Bartlett T-positive Calverts are very beautiful animals.

Speaking of which, if things break right, I might have some temporalis later this year that nobody has ever seen before. We will see how it goes.

Walt Deptula

Thanks, keep us posted!

Where have you been? We have lost alot of temporalis people from the hobby since I have heard from you. Last I remember you were SUPPOSED to have had some super special ones a few years ago. Good to see you still around. Jeff

...beauties nonetheless...imho this may be a rare case where new bloodlines could truly be needed to keep the line healthy and strong.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

Im not sure, I purchased the pair from Tony Dongarra. What do you mean? Mine seem to be healthy enough. Plus Ive got some hets on the way from my St. Mary's female.

tony's hypos,as he will readily tell you,are from an amalgation of varied locale temporalis....the original hypos came from a specimen collected in calvert county,md. quite a while ago...but compared to other locales(st. mary's,nj,even nc),there seem to be few calvert animals(hypo or not) in the hobby;and even fewer that descended from that original calvert specimen that had the hypomelanistic trait which are still truly locale specific,no other localty bloodlines added in...temporalis fans seem particularly picky about locale specificity-as am i-but one has to wonder when new bloodlines are needed(like i said not an overabundance of pure calverts out there,and we're talking about folks breeding hypos to hypos from the same bloodline year after year)...keep in mind their is 3-5(maybe more)separate claves of these guys in the wild(genetically isolated from one another as far as we know)...so i can totally sympathize with trying to emulate these genetic populations in captive breeding,i.e. 'keeping the bloodlines pure'....thing is,once that purity is lost,it's gone forever,and once outside bloddlines are introduced,locale specific animals become a farce....while i'm on a roll here,i'll say that,imho,in the case of most species,'locale specifity' is unecessary and silly when you're talking about a species that a)has one contiguous range(unlike temporalis) where gene flow is largely unimpeded,and b)have no distinguishing external characteristics to define one locale from the next(again,unlike temporalis)...this is simply limiting your captive genetic diversity,as well as ultimately adding pressue to those repective wild populations by encouraging poaching/collecting to feed our hobby...no i did'nt have too much coffee,in case you're wondering i'm like this most of the time,lol...
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

-not at all trying to distract from the fact that yes those are gorgeous,and congrats on a successful clutch,feeding nightmares notwithstanding,lol.

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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

Not at all. I like my locales to Ive got some St. marry,s and also keep some cherry county pales.

J you said a lot there! Just for the record I outcrossed the hypo line to 1) solve some fecundity problems and 2) create additional CB hypo lines that emulate some of the more distinctive phenotypes. There simply wasn’t enough genetic variation in the original line to do much with it or for that matter maintain it for the long haul. This is a morph that has been around a long time and you can’t blame not many of them being around on their being hard to start cause they really aren’t difficult snakes to work with.

Also I never represented my coastals as locality specific but I can provide what went into the mix.

That said, I don't think that the current status of “isolated” coastal populations rises to the level of clades, cline, clans, clashes, clangs or whatever. The phenotypes we so casually associate with specific localities are extractions of what we as breeders selectively produce from those localities. Coastals were once much more wide spread than they are today. I'm not sure why it is that some snakes, like coastals and eastern milks, so easily experience local extirpation and others do not but it does seem to be a factor here. Anyway I don’t think that crossing Clavert County coastals to those of St. Mary’s County or even NJ or NC populations rises to the same level of crossing AZ mountain kings from different mountain ranges. The quality and duration of isolation that you seem to infer here are different be orders of magnitude.