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a difficult new snake

begunwithaletter Jun 09, 2006 12:10 AM

I recently acquired a leucistic black ratsnake from a fellow hobbyist(a BP breeder who was gifted this snake, but since he doesn't deal with colubrids, he offered him to me), and I'm concerned because the snake has regurgitated the last three food items it's eaten. He's very timid, and goes into a defensive S-coil if there is any movement nearby. He's maybe 16" and thinner at his widest point than my pinkie finger, and when I got him, he was supposedly a GREAT feeder and taking fuzzie mice.

Once I had him settled in his new tank I fed a smallish fuzzie, which he kept down without any problems. The second feeding (6 days later, after several bowel movements) was a slightly larger fuzzie, which he regurgitated two days later. It was basically a fur tube with very little flesh remaining, and no discernable organs left inside.

I thought it may have been related to the climate inside the tank, since it was particularly cold that week here in Utah, and the cool side of the tank was at room temperature, about 70 degrees. So I increased the heating, and got the cooler side of the tank up to 74-76 during the day, with the basking spot at about 84. It's a 29g high tank, with hides on the hot and cool sides of the tank, a sturdy branch (which he often climbs on) and a covered water dish, for soaking.

I waited ten days (I had not handled him at all during this time, except to remove him briefly while I changed the soiled paper towels) and fed a small fuzzie, which he regurgitated the following day. The fuzzie was showing obvious signs of digestion, but was not as far gone as the first one.

I waited 7 days, and yesterday offered a 2-day-old pinkie, which was regurgitated this afternoon, digested down to a sack of goop which ruptured when touched.

I'm concerned, because he's not a sturdy snake yet, and I don't know how long I can expect him to hold out on only partial meals.

What do you guys recommend I do next? I have over ten years experience with corns, but my snakes have all been voracious feeders that grew like weeds, so dealing with a potentially sick snake is out of my territory...

Replies (10)

bobassetto Jun 09, 2006 09:58 AM

try that nutri-bac stuff

grich Jun 09, 2006 10:00 AM

I would skip a feeding and, when the next feed time comes around, feed him something smaller, like a pinky. It might be the size of the item is to much on his stomach.

viborero Jun 09, 2006 11:00 AM

Every time a snake regurges, a lot of stomach enzymes used for digestion come up. If you feed too soon and too large, there won't be enough gastric liquid to digest the meal. At this point, the meal begins to rot inside the snake and it will regurge again. That's how one episode turns into a cycle.

Wait 12 days to feed him again in order for the enzymes in his stomach to build back up to working levels. Keep handling to a minimum. When you do feed him, feed him half a pinkie. It's not fun cutting a dead mouse in half, but it works. Wait 7 days and do the half a mouse again. Once you've done this at least twice, you can move him on to small pinkies.

The way you describe it, your snake is pretty thin. Sounds like fuzzies are too big, and that's probably what started this mess. I would probably just keep him on pinks until he gets some girth on him.

Good luck!
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
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3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.1.0 Solomon Island Ground Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.0 Desert Kingsnake
LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Turquoise Sunburst Veiled Chameleon
1.0.3 Leopard Geckos
1.1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx

garweft Jun 09, 2006 11:40 AM

I had a boa that regurgitated a meal due to bad temperatures. I built a new tank and to reach the warm spots the snake needed to bask up on a branch, but he just stayed in the hide and could not get warmed up.

Anyway, I waited almost a month before feeding her a small meal to let her recover. She is now doing fine in a new enclosure with good temps. Your new temperatures of 75 with a warm spot of 85 sound good, just give the snake a good break like 14 days and then do the small meal thing.

begunwithaletter Jun 09, 2006 11:59 AM

thanks for all the advice!

begunwithaletter Jun 09, 2006 12:19 PM

yesterday after I cleaned up the mess, I moved him into my 'quarantine box' which is just a rubbermaid tote with ventilation holes drilled all over it, with a water dish and a paper towel tube for a hide (disposable goodness, in case he poops inside it) and he's on a heater, with 3 sides and the top covered by a towel.

I'm going to let him hang there until he's growing steadily again...

begunwithaletter Jun 09, 2006 12:27 PM

here's a picture of him, to give you an idea of his size...
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viborero Jun 10, 2006 07:40 AM

Barring any bacterial infections, he should bounce right back for you in there.
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
3.4 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
0.1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
1.1.0 Ball Pythons
0.0.1 Ribbon Snake
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
0.1.0 Pueblan Milksnake
1.2.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
1.0.0 Western Hognose
1.1.0 Solomon Island Ground Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
1.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (River Road)
0.1.0 Desert Kingsnake
LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.0.0 Turquoise Sunburst Veiled Chameleon
1.0.3 Leopard Geckos
1.1.0 Yellow Niger Uromastyx

repzoo44 Jun 10, 2006 10:41 AM

Like another poster said, get some of that Nutri-Bac product. Its just a powder you mix with their water and it puts back in some of what they lose after regurging. Ive never had to use, but Ive heard really good things about it. It wouldnt hurt to add that to what your already doing. Good luck,

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1 bearded dragon
2.1 cats

phflame Jun 11, 2006 12:22 AM

Has also been suggested by Kathy Love for helping with regurging snakes. You add a few drops in their water. Don't overdo it, as it can be bitter. And DEFINITELY don't taste it first, as you will regret that!
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