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Since there are a plethora of white snakes now, I am going to assume the Snow Ball market is a little soft. True, or am I way off base? That being said, I am excited about a True Ghost project, is anyone else? What else seems to be a cool Axanthic cross? I just got 5 good eggs from a SK Het x SK Het Axanthic, which throw banded offspring, so I am just wondering who is buying Axanthics, and for what projects?

Dave

You are right...too many white snakes, that is why I went with cinny's over axanthics at this time. They make black snakes, pewters, and who knows what else but I will probably get some axanthics later on. I am looking forward to seeing a true ghost if they are ever made.

I wouldn't count the Axanthics out yet - aside from snows (I dont know if that is still a big project or not) but axanthic pastels are hot!!! I'm also looking forward to the true ghost cross, axanthic spider should be interesting!
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I am trying axanthic x spider.
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Sharp has Dbl Het Caramel VPI Axanthics, That might turn out really wild. I would like to see an Axanthic Pied. I am going to try for Dbl Het Genetic Stripe VPI Axanthics in the near future.

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I have three clutches of VPI Axanthic to 66% Het clutches incubating now, and it looks like I'll be able to breed my Dbl Het True Ghost pair this year. I think they will b lend in with other pattern morphs very well. My long term goal will be a True Ghost Clown.
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Tim and Monica Bailey
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females and they are awesome. They are 05's that were hatched by MKR.
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Kyle J. Stevens
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Congrats. In my opinion VPI is the only Axanthic line to work with. Will you use them both for crosses, if so what do you have in mind?

Congrats. In my opinion VPI is the only Axanthic line to work with. Will you use them both for crosses, if so what do you have in mind?

Thanks, I agree that the VPI line is the only line that I would even purchase. I say that not to flame a debate but just an honest comment about my own choice of a line that I think is the best example of that morph. Yes they are for combination breeding with other morphs "every variation of Albino and all pattern morphs and Ghost". If other nice looking combinations are produced then they are added to the breeding list. Most importantly for me is to outbreed them to the max.
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Kyle J. Stevens
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

Why VPI only?
What makes them better than the SK line?
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VPI stay cleanest black and white as adults, not as browned out.
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Nita Hamilton
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I have seen VPI brown outs. In person!
I have produced three SK clutches. The babies and adults varry in darkness to very light. OH they were all produced by the same parents. I am sure SK will say the same.
My personal opinion it is all hype. I do believe they are equal.

OH, BTW I am working with both lines!
I sold several axanthics because people have seen the SK snow@
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RicK @ BbI

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This is just my personal opinion. I think that the VPI line is the most silver, grey of all of the lines that I have seen. I personaly "speaking only for myself" would only invest in the VPI line because to me the other lines look brown in comparison. This is ONLY MY OPINION. If you prefer the other lines then that is fine. Are the other lines compatible with the VPI line? If not, then they are different for sure but regardless I prefer the more silver grey appearance of the VPI line.
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Kyle J. Stevens
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Can you post pictures of your adults?
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cold blood addict has a adult VPI pictured above.

Thanks looks brown to me.

Some pictuere of my male breeder

One of his 2005 baby female taken a moth ago.

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Whatever you prefer is what you should have. Just that simple. Like I said this is "only my opinion". I prefer VPI line personally but that is just my preference.
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Kyle J. Stevens
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Many a false step is made from standing still.

Rick,
I hope you are talking about your first 2 pictures, because I know my Axanthic does not look brown. Jon

I have 5 Axanthic eggs incubating right now, due to hatch in 50 days. Het x Het breeding. Does anyone have any line other than SK, with eggs due to hatch in roughly the same time? If so, lets take pics out of the egg, after the first shed, at 3 months old, 6 months old, 9 months old, and after a year. Any takers? I am not saying one line is better than any other, I just think it would be interesting to see the progression of different lines, with set time frames.

They are both equal to me.
This is a SK baby back in 2003

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Dave, I am game. I may produce VPI Axanthics this year my male is breeding 50% hets I produced. I have all the females from the clutch, so it is likely at least 1 will pan out. I will keep you posted. Sounds like a fun experiment to me. Anyone else want to take part? Jon

Nice, ok, do you have eggs on the ground, or are you waiting for eggs? When do you expect eggs, hatchlings? I expect babies in about 50 days.

Dave

My belief is that the Axanthic lines and the Pastel lines share something in common: Buy an individual animal based on its appearance, not on the line it comes from. I guarantee, that if you put 20 Axanthics of varying age on a table, and said guess the lines, that it would be hard, if not impossible to pick out ALL of one line vs. the other. I feel that each line has its stunning offspring, and its rather average offspring. I have never seen an adult of any line keep its silver baby coloring, if one did, I would definately buy it.

Dave

Dave,
Then you should get VPI line Axanthics, I have seen several adults that have great color. Brian Sharp has a couple adults that are sweet looking. He got his back in the day when VPI first produced them so his are very closely related to the original and did not come from lines years later that had been out crossed. I was lucky enough to get my male from Sharp, he was produced by his original Axanthic male and original het Axanthic female. Yes they will all vary to some degree, but VPI line will increase your odds on that really killer adult and killer cross. Jon

Yes I have 2 friends with VPI axanthics and they are of breeding size and have not browned out at all, I personally wouldnt buy Jolliff or SK its VPI all the way.
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