...i have 9 Emys now and absolutely love this species. i bought my first "pair" 7 yrs ago from CalZoo. i was there hand picking w/c leopards and bells for resale at an upcoming san diego reptile show when i saw these two "ugly" "plain" tortoises in the turtle section. they had these slightly angled tubs that they could fill and flush with water automatically (really nice set up). i had seen them before but not in person and they reminded me of my desert tortoises our family had kept in our backyard growing up. i bought them and took them to the reptile show to sell. my booth was set up next to Richard Cary Paull (author of several tortoise books and a very interesting and nice guy). he told me how personable this species was and shared some of his expertise with me. he told me that the females will usually have a higher and "more domed" look to them. he pointed at my female without turning it over and said "that looks like a female to me". luckily nobody bought them and we fell in love with their personalities. unfortunately the male died a few years back. i believe mr.paull had it right as here is an underside shot of her today. her tail just reaches the first marginal scute. she has a very flat plastron, her tail opening is very rounded and a new male we bought 2 summers ago "fell in love with her at first sight". the second pic shows the new males tail extending into the first marginal. his plastron is concave and obviously a male. the third pic is a supposed "guranteed pair" sold to me by someone who has been in the hobby a long time. i didnt question his belief when i saw the pic of their plastrons. i do realize its still a gamble but i felt by just going off the tail openings one rounded and one more of a "V" that i had a good shot i got at least one female.this pair is only about 9 inches long. we then purchased two more "females" a couple months back. unfortunately i dont have pics yet. but the large ones "shape" looks to be just what mr. Paull was speaking of. she also has a small tail and a flat plastron but her tail opening is more of a "V", a more open "V" than the large males, but still not the really nice rounded opening of my first female. i think you need to look at several things combined to make a judgement call and the larger the better. thanks for looking, john yocum


