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This is not a hatchling of mine, it is from my bloodline however, The parents of these hatchlings are from a clutch I produced in 2001, my friend wanted 1.2 of the hatchlings, I gave them to him and he grew them up and now he has successfully bred them, He is very happy to say the least and so am I, It's amazing to bred some snakes, then in the future, get to see what they in turn produced, I have expanded my bloodline further with 2 females from Home Grown Herps recently, my bloodline consists of 4 unrelated lines. All very black and very white, some show up with some yellow in them occasionally.

Thanks for looking.

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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

Beautiful!!!

//Todd

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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

Great looking northerns!

Can you tell me what lines you have in your collection? I'm trying to expand to some new lines myself.
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Staten Island Serpents (Al Swanson)Original Line
Bay State Reptiles (new blood)
Don Hamper (mixed into original)
Home Grown Herps (neonates, will be mixed into hamper or baystate)

I breed for Black and white, even patterning, my snakes do not originate from some BullS$#% bloodline of NJ pines, they look like NJ pines however, from what I have seen by most people who breed northern pines, THEY ALL ORIGINATE FROM SOME BLOODLINE IN THE 70'S, that is a marketing strategy because most people know the ones from NJ are the nicest so most people who breed them or buy them with that "bloodline", Well if i did buy from that bloodline I purposly outbred them and made my own Bloodline. I at this time am not breeding any snakes, everyone gets 2 years off and then 2 years on, Im a hobbyist, not a professional breeder. I own very few colubrids, I keep mostly Pythons and Boas, The few colubrids I have a my favorites.

Northern Pine Snakes
Black Pine Snakes
San Lucan (Cape) Gophers
Texas Rat Snakes
Eastern Chain Kings
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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

I realize many breed the same line, which is why I am trying to mix up various lines myself.

Thanks
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

I don't think you understood what I meant. I meant It is desirable for people to say they are from a "NJ lineage bloodline from the 70's" to market the animals, there is no way all those pines are originating from that bloodline, that's the biggest LIE in Northern Pine Marketing. This is propagated, because Northerns from NJ are the "in" Northern's to get. My line (original) has no relation to that bloodline from the 70's, I'm certain of this. So I understand what you mean about outbreeding, I am sure some of those breeders snakes are from that bloodline, But I know alot prob are not is what I meant.
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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

I, like metalpest, actually did not understand what you meant as well. Northerns are my faves and while I hear what you are saying, I have never even heard of this idea of propagating a bloodline from the 70's to use as a marketing strategy. I am not saying that you have not heard that, or doubt what you are saying, but I do find this interesting as this is news to me as I have 4 buddies that breed Jersey northerns and this has never been brought up in conversations over the years. I agree that there is no way all the northern pines in captivity were or are from that line you speak of.
That is a very nice northern pine baby you had a pic of as well!

Take care!
Billy

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Bill, I have heard this over 15 times at least from various breeders. They may also say this to protect themselves because of their threatened status in New Jersey. Since collecting Jersey Pines is PROHIBITED, where did every one get these snakes from? If collected from the State of New Jersey, that would make them ILLEGAL to possess. Where do all these people get these "JERSEY" pines from is what I am wondering, since most Northern Breeders claim they are from New Jersey, 4 of your friends as well? What's their lineage? Who got their stock for them? Just curious because I live in New jersey and all my Northerns where purchased out of state, along with receipts from breeders, that I need for my permits to possess them legally in This state.
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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

That is a georgeous northern pine.
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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

Thanks for the compliment on the pine!!
Yeah, from what I have gathered, the reason being of the line from the 70's is quoted often may be just that most lines are from that. Back in the 70's, captive breeding grew phenominally and northerns were not protected back then, so it makes sense that most lines today somewhat originated from them. Getting lines that are not related to those lines may be hard, but would be cool as well for breeding purposes. I don't think that it makes any line " better " than the other if it related or not to the 70's lines. I hear what you are saying on people using that as a way to make their lines seem better. I had just not heard that before but now I know and I will watch out for that whenever I check out northerns.

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Yeah, i go by pattern and color and like to see what adult breeders look like, I have to say that photo u just posted is another keeper, gimme LOL
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Frank Roberts
R&R Herpetological Frank Roberts & John Rodriguez
Roberts'Realm of Reptile Research

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