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I have heard the term on this forum before. The only reason given was from too high of temps. Is there any genetic reasons? Say if the temperatures are not above 85 degrees? Is there a possiblility for kinked babies at lower temps as well?

I remember someone mentioning they had a kinked baby and it eventually grew to look somewhat normal. Are they ever kinked so bad that they can't function correctly? I would imagine it'd be hard to pass food if they had a huge kink.
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****Misty****

"Everyone has the right to be stupid, but don't abuse the privilege"

The list keeps getting Smaller!
Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
7.17.4 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.5.0 king snakes
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Leucistic rat snakes
0.0.1 royal (ball) python
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

It is possible if the humidity is too high that it might cause kinks in hatchlings. If the kink is too severe it is better that the snake does not survive. But they can make nice pets if the kinks aren't too bad, I just wouldn't breed them.

you're babies arent kinked are they?? and where are all the pics?? i thought you would have posted tons by now.... i've still got until the first week of august....UGH too long!!!! anyways... keep us up to date!!

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude)
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy [Emilys babies])
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss het Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Classic het Hypo, Stripe (Gracie Lou)

Rats:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)

Cal Kings:
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard (Blitz)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLE~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)

hey. I did have 2 kinked babies. One so bad that I had to put the little guy down. Was sad. I am thinking the father's genetics are not the best, So I will not be breeding him again.

I was waiting on a new camera to take pics. Got it Yesterday!! (Happy Birthday to me!!! lol).
So, tons of pictures on the way. Going to take them today.

I also have some snakes pipping now. It amazes me how much smaller the corn hatchlings are compared to the king hatchlings.
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****Misty****

"Everyone has the right to be stupid, but don't abuse the privilege"

The list keeps getting Smaller!
Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
7.17.4 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.5.0 king snakes
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Leucistic rat snakes
0.0.1 royal (ball) python
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

I had an anery female that laid two clutches for me her first year and I never breed her at all. The person I bought her from said she was in cool down. So I think it was from sperm storage.
Anyhow.....1 out of 20 hatch in the first and 5 out of 15 hatched in the second.....
One egg I thought would hatch didn't I let it in the incubator for about four months....finally I cut it open to find a fully formed snake but it's head was attached to it's tail and the body was attached all the way down.....
So if the snake is to weak to come out on it own it's probably better to let it die....it will most likley die anyhow....
Just my 2 cents....
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CD
Corns(Adults)
1.0 Snow
0.1 Banded Motley het Amel
0.1 Blizzard
Corns(Sub-adult)
1.0 Bloodred het Pewter
1.0 Anerythristic

I've never heard of kinking being genetic. I have a female black pine with a severe kink in her tail. Shes reproduced for years, never having kinked offspring.

In my experience spinal deformities happen most often when there's a spike in incubation temperature. If eggs are in an incubator set at 82-84 degrees and there's a heat wave, with temeratures getting up to the 90s - that's what will cause it.

I've found in my situation that it's best to "naturally" incubate eggs in an un-airconditioned house. There's a nighttime low and daytime high temperature, which is more natural.

Also, I've never heard of incorrect humidity causing kinks.

Tim

I agree that temp spikes can cause kinks.. Unfortunately, i have personally experianced this several years ago with a clutch of 11 alterna that were so badly kinked that i had to put most of them down. Although, 3 or 4 of the the same clutch hatched out perfectly fine???

I have read several publications stating that kinked snakes should not be bred, but I am not 100% sure why this is? I have never personally bred adults with kinks, but i know at least 2 others that have and produced perfectly normal hatchlings.

I also have never heard or read anything regarding high humidity causing kinks..

glad to hear that humidity is probably not a factor.
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****Misty****

"Everyone has the right to be stupid, but don't abuse the privilege"

The list keeps getting Smaller!
Not counting Hatchlings, this is what I have.........

1.1.2 bearded dragons
7.17.4 corn snakes
1.1.0 jungle corns
2.5.0 king snakes
1.0.0 Sinaloan milk snake
0.1.0 Tri-Hybrid milk snake
0.1.0 rat snake
1.1.0 Leucistic rat snakes
0.0.1 royal (ball) python
1.1.0 Congo African Grey Parrots
0.1.0 German Shepherd hybrid dog

I wouldn't discount humidity entirely. If you get the humidity too high, it can and does induce kinks (as well as a myriad of other egg problems). I've had entire clutches (that were incubated too humid) kink about 3 weeks after hatching. Trust me, it sucks bigtime.

-Kat
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>>I have heard the term on this forum before. The only reason given was from too high of temps. Is there any genetic reasons? Say if the temperatures are not above 85 degrees? Is there a possiblility for kinked babies at lower temps as well?
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>>I remember someone mentioning they had a kinked baby and it eventually grew to look somewhat normal. Are they ever kinked so bad that they can't function correctly? I would imagine it'd be hard to pass food if they had a huge kink.
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>>****Misty****
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It's kind of odd.
So far out of around 70 hatchlings this season, one hatched yesterday that was kinked. That is the only one.
It was in a small clutch of five but it was on a shelf next to several other egg containers. The other four in that clutch were fine and all the other eggs so far have been fine.
I would normally go with the general consensus that high temps or spikes of higher temps would be the cause, it is just odd that only one has been affected.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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It is very obvious that high temperatures can cause kinking, but that's because it was an easy one to deduce. As far as genetics, JMO I would have to say sure it can be. As in most things can be. But maybe more likely, which I did not see much mentioned on, is the egg development in the female snake. Maybe there was high heat during this period, low temps, eating to much, lack of activity? I've often thought about a snake in a small cage and not getting normal movement. Maybe this can be a factor to more things than obesity? Even diet may be a factor to many breeding woes. As two people may have the same diet, and one gets fat and stays thin, snakes must have a variable ability to stay on domestic feed and keep at peek condition. I think it is great that these days we have the WEB to exchange info, so a conclusion on such matters can be solved much faster. But I also think we are just at the beginning of a long journey to understanding many issues in detail. But at least the journey has begun.
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Why does everyone still believe the world is round, when we know it is flat?
(Me)

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

2 baby female Western hognose, 2.3 adults some friend some mine) All Named George

Corn snakes
bloodred 0.1 Christal Blue Persuasion
earthtone 0.1 Wind and Fire
creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Ara ararauna 0.1 April
2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com

I've incubated several clutches of corn snake eggs on a day/night temperature cycle, with the daytime temperature 90 F. No kinking.

In my opinion, high temperatures either have no kinking effect or are additional to other factors, such as less than optimum nutrition in the mother. In many species, from fish to humans, females need extra nutrients for the best possible breeding results.

Paul Hollander

I totally agree with you most of the time! lol

I do think high heat is a factor of some sort. But so many other factors. Where was the female collected? Is a NC corn less adaptive to high heat to eggs than lets say a corn from southern Fl.?

So many factors can be thought of. Last year I had ball python eggs, and my stat stuck for 2 days at 110. All eggs hatched great and ate and did wonderful.

I do think the health of the female is a huge factor.

I bought a amel zig zag that was thin. She laid 12 eggs about a week ago. I could not see where she kept them. I never would have bred her based on her weight and her length. But I got her gravid. Eggs look good, but more concerned about her. Shes eating again, but being a late clutch I have to think about not breeding her next year to fully recover. Or maybe a late breed?
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Why does everyone still believe the world is round, when we know it is flat?
(Me)

1.3 Bearded Dragons Eenie, Meanie, Minie and Moe is the Male

2 baby female Western hognose, 2.3 adults some friend some mine) All Named George

Corn snakes
bloodred 0.1 Christal Blue Persuasion
earthtone 0.1 Wind and Fire
creamcicle 0.1 Sherbert

Amazona ochrocephala oratrix 0.1? Pretty Girl
Amazona ochrocephala auropalliata 1.1? Carol - Male, Foghorn Leghorn - Female
Amazona aestiva 1.0? Miss Prissy
Ara ararauna 0.1 April
2.0 Dogs, Michigan, Doc
0.2 Cats,, Sassie and Spooky (all black cat)
0.1 Wives, (Long term captive!,, I mean ME!) I call her (BOSS)
1.1 Kids (Paininthearsius takamemonii) J/K great kids
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tom

www.herpzilla.com